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NHS Cyber Attack

Postby 1964white » Sat May 13, 2017 8:10 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39906019

Political organisation or a spotty little urchin ?

Whoever are responsible are mindless tw*ts

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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby rich_leeds64 » Sat May 13, 2017 8:22 am

Whoever it is, it's worrying that they can hack into virtually anything, as I understand it wasn't just the NHS but had a worldwide effect in several countries.I work in the telecomms industry and get bombarded with security alerts on a daily basis about possible threats to our systems so there's probably lots of individuals/groups who spend their time trying to do this type of thing. The thought of some terror group being able to do this doesn't bear thinking about.

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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby HarryofOz » Sat May 13, 2017 8:28 am

A world wide cyber hack, supposedly with the aid of supposedly using tools stolen from the NSA.
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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby Shields53 » Sat May 13, 2017 9:15 am

Was a WCry (WannaCry/WanaCrypt0r) Ransomware attack, taking advantage of a known exploit in Windows 8.1 and below. Companies and organisations if over 90 countries affected. Telefonica also affected I hear. Infection likely happened via someone clicking in a link within a phishing email.

Can affect anyone running unpatched Windows OS but the fact that the NHS are still running Windows XP, an unsupported OS is a bit worrying.

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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby Ratscoot » Sat May 13, 2017 9:22 am

Shields53 wrote:Was a WCry (WannaCry/WanaCrypt0r) Ransomware attack, taking advantage of a known exploit in Windows 8.1 and below. Companies and organisations if over 90 countries affected. Telefonica also affected I hear. Infection likely happened via someone clicking in a link within a phishing email.

Can affect anyone running unpatched Windows OS but the fact that the NHS are still running Windows XP, an unsupported OS is a bit worrying.


NHS not the only public owned group still using XP I know of a number XP machines running systems on our railways, luckily none of them safety critical
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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby Shields53 » Sat May 13, 2017 9:28 am

Ratscoot wrote:NHS not the only public owned group still using XP I know of a number XP machines running systems on our railways, luckily none of them safety critical


At work we are going through an audit. To bid on government work we musn't be running any unsupported OS and every machine must have a patch level within 3 months. Seems crazy the government don't meet the standards they demand from their contractors.

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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby lufc1304 » Sat May 13, 2017 12:12 pm

Tories wouldn't fund a software upgrade for £5.5m, but can find £200bn for Trident. Draw your own conclusions
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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby Haighy » Sat May 13, 2017 12:58 pm

Apparently Nissan in Sunderland closed due to a cyber attack ....ffs.

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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby Ronan » Sat May 13, 2017 3:32 pm

lufc1304 wrote:Tories wouldn't fund a software upgrade for £5.5m, but can find £200bn for Trident. Draw your own conclusions


Subtly put Nick :tup:

We are currently "upgrading" to Windows 10 in work...but very slowy...i am still on Windows 7 on my PC...will be interesting to see if we have any problems when we all get in on Monday morning.

Running Lubuntu operating system here ....feel much safer with Linux...tends to be less virus prone.

Though i seem to have been hit with bloody William Hill Ads to the keft and right of my screen on this site.... :duno:

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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby barryanorak » Mon May 15, 2017 8:22 am

lufc1304 wrote:Tories wouldn't fund a software upgrade for £5.5m, but can find £200bn for Trident. Draw your own conclusions



Spend the 5.5million to upgrade the remaining 4.7% of NHS computers that run on XP and disable huge swathes of the NHS, because the computers they link to, outwith the NHS, are also running outdated software...

If I remember correctly, all submarines in the Royal Navy run XP because it was a stable platform and so old that hackers were no longer interested. Maybe a nuclear equipped submarine isn't the best thing to be hacked...maybe they should consider upgrading it? :wink:

The fact that 200,000 operating systems were affected, in 190 countries really does emphasise that the NHS was not the target of this attack.
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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby lufc1304 » Mon May 15, 2017 9:10 am

barryanorak wrote:Spend the 5.5million to upgrade the remaining 4.7% of NHS computers that run on XP and disable huge swathes of the NHS, because the computers they link to, outwith the NHS, are also running outdated software...

If I remember correctly, all submarines in the Royal Navy run XP because it was a stable platform and so old that hackers were no longer interested. Maybe a nuclear equipped submarine isn't the best thing to be hacked...maybe they should consider upgrading it? :wink:

The fact that 200,000 operating systems were affected, in 190 countries really does emphasise that the NHS was not the target of this attack.


I never suggested it was, Barry, I was pointing out that had the NHS' systems been updated in 2015 (as reported), they may not have been as susceptible to attack. I was unaware that a lot of systems external to the NHS are also outdated, sounds like the whole thing's a bit of a mess, tbh
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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby barryanorak » Mon May 15, 2017 9:17 am

It's all a mess...

And all because some irritating twonk with a budget laptop felt like making some 'easy money'...
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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby mav » Mon May 15, 2017 10:30 am

What should happen with the NHS.....................

Run on a NHS only WAN, with zero internet access.
Run a bespoke version of Linux - developed for the NHS.
All records should be held centrally - with Hospitals running essentially linked/client DB's.
All IT services should be back in house (IT companies make oodles of cash from the NHS and are, as a rule, s**t.
Any PC's requiring internet access in any part of the NHS would HAVE to be on separate physical networks rather than just VLANS.

Not cheap, nor easy, but I would imagine payback would take 10 - 15 years and would result in a much more stable, better health service.

(I have worked for the NHS as part of an IT team, so I do have some knowledge)
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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby Crude » Mon May 15, 2017 5:20 pm

Here in the US, UPS sent home something like 600k workers when computers went down. Apparently they got things back up again for the next shift. A friend who is high-up in the IT department of a major auto parts company was working all weekend to make sure things didn't go tits up. Think they made it through unscathed, but it was the biggest cyber attack he's ever seen in 30 years in the business. Crazy.
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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby Gandalf » Mon May 15, 2017 10:35 pm

mav wrote:What should happen with the NHS.....................

Run on a NHS only WAN, with zero internet access.
Run a bespoke version of Linux - developed for the NHS.
All records should be held centrally - with Hospitals running essentially linked/client DB's.
All IT services should be back in house (IT companies make oodles of cash from the NHS and are, as a rule, s**t.
Any PC's requiring internet access in any part of the NHS would HAVE to be on separate physical networks rather than just VLANS.

Not cheap, nor easy, but I would imagine payback would take 10 - 15 years and would result in a much more stable, better health service.

(I have worked for the NHS as part of an IT team, so I do have some knowledge)

Or, you could save the NHS a s**t load of money, and just install the patch that Microsoft sent out on the 14th March. There was a reason why not all NHS sites and systems were affected. By the way, you have just used Corbyn's £35 Billion in one fell swoop.
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Re: NHS Cyber Attack

Postby mav » Tue May 16, 2017 12:22 pm

Gandalf wrote:Or, you could save the NHS a s**t load of money, and just install the patch that Microsoft sent out on the 14th March. There was a reason why not all NHS sites and systems were affected. By the way, you have just used Corbyn's £35 Billion in one fell swoop.



Except, that would only delay things, while they are running out dated software that is on internet enabled networks it is always just a matter of time.
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