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We Came Bottom....
Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:35 am
by 1964white
Just goes to show how poor our youth set-up is, it's not as if we are playing against premiership youngsters
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Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:38 am
by mav
as our average squad age is 25, I am not sure it is a problem.....
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:44 am
by 1964white
mav wrote:as our average squad age is 25, I am not sure it is a problem.....
For a city the size of Leeds situated in the largest county in Britain I would suggest it is a problem if we are not picking up on some of the cream in our local area
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:54 am
by weasel
Although one could argue that we are a victim of our success as surely the team would have done much better with the likes of Cook, Phillips, Vieira, Peacock-Farrell all playing as well. Also worth noting that our FA Youth Cup winning side of years back didn't produce a single player that became a star so youth success doesn't guarantee anything.
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 12:13 pm
by whiteswan
1964white wrote:For a city the size of Leeds situated in the largest county in Britain I would suggest it is a problem if we are not picking up on some of the cream in our local area
I do agree with you 64. I said as much last week when I asked the question why can't we find a Marcus Rashford. I don't expect us to unveil a whole team but yes, the odd gem coming through ought to be a possibility
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 3:42 pm
by mav
1964white wrote:For a city the size of Leeds situated in the largest county in Britain I would suggest it is a problem if we are not picking up on some of the cream in our local area
Sacko, Roofe, Viera, Philips, Taylor, Barrow, Coyle, Denton, Grimes, Pedrazza all would have qualified for this squad, as they were in the first team (some more often than others) squad I am not sure it is an issue.
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 4:22 pm
by 1964white
mav wrote:Sacko, Roofe, Viera, Philips, Taylor, Barrow, Coyle, Denton, Grimes, Pedrazza all would have qualified for this squad, as they were in the first team (some more often than others) squad I am not sure it is an issue.
We were bottom to a group of ordinary teams. Two played in League 1 & Crewe in League 2. Two of the championship teams were in a relegation battle
And that isn't an issue
Only two of those players you mentioned were good enough to play in our first team, god knows how poor they performed in the U23 matches
Having a poor midfield & no decent back-up players says it all & are probably the two main reasons why we missed out on the a top six place
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 4:48 pm
by paddy parrott
Sad really '64 but sign o 'times to a degree with the rugby league and so forth. Though Leeds United aren't capable anymore in monetary terms as was proven many times . Though you are right a big club with pedigree and that's Leeds for a long time should be better at underage. The club is set back a long way giving the huge fall and are light years now behind Manchester , London and probably Liverpool to name a few.
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 5:23 pm
by 1964white
whiteswan wrote:I do agree with you 64. I said as much last week when I asked the question why can't we find a Marcus Rashford. I don't expect us to unveil a whole team but yes, the odd gem coming through ought to be a possibility
Glad I'm not the only one to think like this Swan
Revie will be turning in his grave. He always insisted a club needs to be run efficiently from the top management right down to the tea-lady
We are bottom of that table because of a lack of decent resources
Our fans accept & big up average players where as the cream are plying their trade elsewhere
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 1:49 pm
by Gurj
Redfearn was doing a great job with the Academy few years back.......wonder if/when Cellino is gone, he would ever return in that role ( he has only been doing radio work recently ) or have we burnt our bridges given what transpired with him and also he's partner.
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 8:22 pm
by whiteswan
Gurj wrote:Redfearn was doing a great job with the Academy few years back.......wonder if/when Cellino is gone, he would ever return in that role ( he has only been doing radio work recently ) or have we burnt our bridges given what transpired with him and also he's partner.
Very good point Gurj. Redfearn had the respect of the academy kids and most of the folks at Elland Road, including the senior players. Like you, not sure if we burnt our bridges.....although I don't think his partner helped matters.
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 3:02 pm
by liggy
Well first of all I'm not surprised that moggy would mention local cream.
That table is a shocker tho
Crikey look at Southampton's youth setup envy of every top team
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 4:25 pm
by 1964white
liggy wrote:Well first of all I'm not surprised that moggy would mention local cream.
That table is a shocker tho
Crikey look at Southampton's youth setup envy of every top team
Yep the Saints have been producing decent young players since before our League One days & have continued to do so in the last ten years, a treadmill of superb talent to compete with the prem's best
We do have Kalvin Phillips in our ranks
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 6:00 pm
by weasel
We have produced a steady stream such as Byram, Mowatt, Cook, Taylor, Phillips, Vieira and before that the likes of Howson and Delph. However we have also had various players poached from us before they got anywhere near the first team, the likes of Garbutt at Everton, a couple of lads to Chelsea and Danny Rose at Tottenham. Add those and our youth production has been decent rather than spectacular.
Too easy to say that because we finished bottom all the players are sh*t. We may have had 16 year olds playing in an under 23 league for example and as such they would struggle. Likewise if we had 8 good players and 3 sh*t ones then the team would struggle.
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 6:12 pm
by 1964white
weasel wrote:We have produced a steady stream such as Byram, Mowatt, Cook, Taylor, Phillips, Vieira and before that the likes of Howson and Delph. However we have also had various players poached from us before they got anywhere near the first team, the likes of Garbutt at Everton, a couple of lads to Chelsea and Danny Rose at Tottenham. Add those and our youth production has been decent rather than spectacular.
Too easy to say that because we finished bottom all the players are sh*t. We may have had 16 year olds playing in an under 23 league for example and as such they would struggle. Likewise if we had 8 good players and 3 sh*t ones then the team would struggle.
Howson, Delph plus add Lennon & Milner was an awful long time ago who are all better than those who you mentioned in your first line
Byram, Cook, Taylor & Vieira haven't proved nothing of note at the highest level yet. Mowatt is playing his football at Barnsley
Phillips can't even pass a ball so I can't see him progressing far !
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 6:23 pm
by liggy
Agree weasel it's too simple to say that.
But a good coach wouldn't throw 16 year olds in with the big lads,
Because it can destroy them easily,
Unless they're like an Edwards or a Bale
Maybe we should look at Cardiff civil service
Like Southampton did.!!
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 6:33 pm
by liggy
Anyhoo good coaches no when to throw a baby in
Sheff u knew young William Foulke could handle it & he went on to play for England
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 6:51 pm
by 1964white
liggy wrote:Anyhoo good coaches no when to throw a baby in
Sheff u knew young William Foulke could handle it & he went on to play for England
My god he was a big lad
Re: We Came Bottom....
Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 9:11 pm
by 1964white
Chris Dawson released by Rotherham
Another Leeds academy player overrated by our fans