Samu Saiz sold

[1964white]

Heckingbottom spoke to the pres about Saiz after the Brentford game

“We’re trying to improve players,” said Heckingbottom, as quoted by LeedsLive.

“I don’t think I can make Samu better on the ball if I’m honest, he’s a terrific talent, really instinctive but I can definitely make him a better player for the team and that’s what it’s all about, we want to be successful.”

[Cjay]

Poor tonight.

Forgetting his performance I'm sick of him moaning and complaining it drives me insane.

And the spitter was waving imaginary cards again

He has been a joy at times this season but if he is going to continue that behaviour he can piss off in the summer.

[HarryofOz]

Poor tonight.

Forgetting his performance I'm sick of him moaning and complaining it drives me insane.

And the spitter was waving imaginary cards again

He has been a joy at times this season but if he is going to continue that behaviour he can piss off in the summer.

I agree 100%, he is behaving as though no one has the right to tackle him.

[Cjay]

Yeah let’s all get on the back of the best player we have had in 15 years. As for the imaginary card yes of course it would be ideal if that didn’t happen in the game but we have had lots of red cards recently and on every occasion the opposition has done the same thing. It’s reality if we don’t do it and they do only one team will see cards

He isn't even the best player in the squad now never mind 15 years.

Hernandez is a league above Saiz in terms of talent just happens to be older.

Cook, Snoddy, Jansson, Ross Barkley, Gradel, Hernandez, Wood etc.

What makes Saiz better then them?

[gessa]

3 times last night I was frustrated with Saiz, the simple ball was the better option but he decided to run into a cul de sac, doing it more and more.

[Cjay]

Saiz is plenty better than Hernandez in my opinion. Hernandez is technically brilliant but Saiz beats players more often and constantly tries to put us on the attack. Hernandez has often had to be dropped due to having no effect on away games or even dragged off early because he is a passenger. Would you like me to go on?


Snoddy is the closest on your list. Barkley wasn’t our player and hasn’t set the world alight since. Jansson and Gradel are more fan favourites and potentially overrated although still a good quality. Chris Wood is no better than Lasogga

At 27 Pablo Hernandez was a regular playing for a title Challenging Valencia side finishing 3rd in La Liga getting to the Semi Finals of the Europa League and playing in the Group Stages of the Champions league.

The following season he was a regular and record signing for a Swansea side that finished 9th in the Premier League and won the league cup.

He was also a Spanish international and a Confederations Cup winner.

You cant compare the 2.

Age has started to catch up with Pablo, but at the same age he had everything Saiz does and more.

Talent never leaves you, the body slows down thats all. Saiz isnt in Hernandez league.

He just happens to be younger.

The only reason its up for debate is because its a past his prime Pablo.

Even then you just have to watch the passes Hernandez makes to see his brain is 2 seconds quicker then everyone else.

Despite my Saiz ranting he is one of my favourite players

For some reason just felt angry towards him since yesterday, dunno if it was the moaning or the stupid behaviour at the end or just how as one of our better players i expected him to do something and he didnt.

I'll agree on the rest somewhat although think Barkley is better certainly.

[weasel]

He moves with the ball in a way that he usually gets fouled therefore has to ask for the free kicks. Stop looking to make our best player a scapegoat

100% agree. He is constantly being kicked and even at times when he manages to ride the foul and carry on (as he did a couple of times v Brentford when the ref then failed to play the advantage) those kicks on the ankle still hurt. The refs seem to think that it is okay for the opposition to kick him just because he moves the ball quickly and it makes it look like the opposition are clumsy rather than cynical - it is still a foul though. Sadly it seems to be the opposition tactic now is to kick him out of the game and also to hope that he will react and get himself sent off.

Whilst I rate Hernandez highly and his ability to spot passes no one else does I feel Saiz is more vital to this team in the way he can take the ball from the edge of our box to the opposition box so quickly (with usually only Alioski keeping up with him - when selected).

[1964white]

100% agree. He is constantly being kicked and even at times when he manages to ride the foul and carry on (as he did a couple of times v Brentford when the ref then failed to play the advantage) those kicks on the ankle still hurt. The refs seem to think that it is okay for the opposition to kick him just because he moves the ball quickly and it makes it look like the opposition are clumsy rather than cynical - it is still a foul though. Sadly it seems to be the opposition tactic now is to kick him out of the game and also to hope that he will react and get himself sent off.

Whilst I rate Hernandez highly and his ability to spot passes no one else does I feel Saiz is more vital to this team in the way he can take the ball from the edge of our box to the opposition box so quickly (with usually only Alioski keeping up with him - when selected).

It's hard to believe fans are slagging off our best attacking player only Hernandez comes close who is not heavily marked like Samu, at times he has three or four players snapping at him

[Cjay]

It's hard to believe fans are slagging off our best attacking player only Hernandez comes close who is not heavily marked like Samu, at times he has three or four players snapping at him

Its not.

I don't like moaning, whinging petulant footballers.

I dont like the fake card waving.

Don't like squaring up to people after the final whistle.

Dont care who it is.

Just because he plays for us and is a good player, dont care.
If the game went differently yesterday, we win, Saiz plays well, and its Traore acting like Saiz did people on here would be complaining about his behavior, so why should we accept it from our own? double standards.

[Cjay]

100% agree. He is constantly being kicked and even at times when he manages to ride the foul and carry on (as he did a couple of times v Brentford when the ref then failed to play the advantage) those kicks on the ankle still hurt. The refs seem to think that it is okay for the opposition to kick him just because he moves the ball quickly and it makes it look like the opposition are clumsy rather than cynical - it is still a foul though. Sadly it seems to be the opposition tactic now is to kick him out of the game and also to hope that he will react and get himself sent off.

Whilst I rate Hernandez highly and his ability to spot passes no one else does I feel Saiz is more vital to this team in the way he can take the ball from the edge of our box to the opposition box so quickly (with usually only Alioski keeping up with him - when selected).

The entire first paragraph is no excuse, he isnt the only footballer it happens to.

I'm sure its not pleasant but smile laugh it off and carry on. Posted a video of Messi earlier, he has been getting the treatment Saiz gets for 15 years.

Does he wave fake cards? No.

People like to say "ooh the modern footballers wouldn't last back in the 70s, they would have been kicked to bits".

So how can these same people say that and then moan when these players are kicked like the 70s?

Traore got a few kicks, was he petulant? No.

Theres a way to get your point across without acting like a child dramatically throwing your arms in the air.

[HarryofOz]

He moves with the ball in a way that he usually gets fouled therefore has to ask for the free kicks. Stop looking to make our best player a scapegoat

Utter nonsense.

[1964white]

Its not.

I don't like moaning, whinging petulant footballers.

I dont like the fake card waving.

Don't like squaring up to people after the final whistle.

Dont care who it is.

Just because he plays for us and is a good player, dont care.
If the game went differently yesterday, we win, Saiz plays well, and its Traore acting like Saiz did people on here would be complaining about his behavior, so why should we accept it from our own? double standards.

I see your point Harry

I don't like all his silly antics, he needs to change his behaviour

[HarryofOz]

I see your point Harry

I don't like all his silly antics, he needs to change his behaviour

Answering me and quoting Cjay - shall I refer you to your quoting thread?

His antics will only be detrimental to him and Leeds. It means that he is not concentrating on playing to the best of his ability and he gets the reputation of being a whinger.

[Cjay]

I see your point Harry

I don't like all his silly antics, he needs to change his behaviour

"Know what I mean, 'arry?

[HarryofOz]

"Know what I mean, 'arry?

[HarryofOz]

Care to elaborate ? Taking on defenders and drawing them into trying to make tackles ends up with more fouls. It isn’t rocket science pal

Losing possession in a tackle isn't being fouled. It isn't rocket science mate.

[Cjay]

I can’t agree based on Pablo been good 8 years ago lol. He wasn’t a Leeds player then

How about 1 year ago when Pablo was the only creative spark ?

How about over the last few games while Saiz was sat on the sidelines when Hernandez was inspiring us against some of the leagues top teams?

Dont doubt Saiz has talent but when that pace goes how will he adapt?

Pablo went from a flying winger to a creative number 10 and back to a winger again.

Or just simple numbers, directly involved with 10 goals each in the league.

Saiz is the latest fan golden boy, but Pablo was the original little Spanish star

Anyway my main problem with Saiz was in the post to 64.

[1964white]

Pablo & Saiz are our two classiest players without any doubt whatsoever

[The Subhuman]

Fabien Delph or Samu Saiz....?

Leeds players in the last 15 years ...

pick 1

[Cjay]

Is it just me who thinks Saiz has been bang average for quite a while now?

Gets an assist yesterday but thats more down to Alioski's good work then Pablo's class.

No goals since November.

Hasnt really featured in the top 3 of a MOTM polls since Brentford.

Is he not bothered anymore, is he just not very good, is it tactics.

Cant say its all down to average players because look at Pablo or Ali or Forshaw who have all featured prominently.