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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by radebe88 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:44 am

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Heard a comment on sky yesterday during the Wolves game that Brum were 4th highest spenders in the league and also had an experienced English manager in Harry ...... disproves the myths that you need a manager who knows the league and spend decent amounts of cash to guarantee success.
The thing that annoys me is that there is this weird (almost factory like) British manager being produced in the lower leagues. PH is the epitome of it. Robotic in interviews, pausing for a few seconds between each sentence looking for all the attention in his team selection and hyped up by the TV companies as they like hound British managers. Worse of all lifeless on the touchline and a million excuses post match.... every tinpot club has one and now we are the same

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by SG90 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:06 am

radebe88 wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:44 am
The thing that annoys me is that there is this weird (almost factory like) British manager being produced in the lower leagues. PH is the epitome of it. Robotic in interviews, pausing for a few seconds between each sentence looking for all the attention in his team selection and hyped up by the TV companies as they like hound British managers. Worse of all lifeless on the touchline and a million excuses post match.... every tinpot club has one and now we are the same
Haha so true. Then the media act all surprised that they don't get chances in the PL. They're just desperate to hype up any English manager. Heck is a "top young manager" with 10 wins in his last 63 Championship games.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by 1964white » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:26 am

radebe88 wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:44 am
The thing that annoys me is that there is this weird (almost factory like) British manager being produced in the lower leagues. PH is the epitome of it. Robotic in interviews, pausing for a few seconds between each sentence looking for all the attention in his team selection and hyped up by the TV companies as they like hound British managers. Worse of all lifeless on the touchline and a million excuses post match.... every tinpot club has one and now we are the same
We've had them for the last 15 years :( not just now !

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Cjay » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:44 am

radebe88 wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:44 am
The thing that annoys me is that there is this weird (almost factory like) British manager being produced in the lower leagues. PH is the epitome of it. Robotic in interviews, pausing for a few seconds between each sentence looking for all the attention in his team selection and hyped up by the TV companies as they like hound British managers. Worse of all lifeless on the touchline and a million excuses post match.... every tinpot club has one and now we are the same
Funny you mention this.

Just seen this from David Prutton.
https://www.footballinsider247.com/sky- ... -decision/

Right David lets see then shall we.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/champions ... =18&max=30

Results under Hecky are much worse then under TC in his last 13.

Next excuse.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Cjay » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:47 am

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Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:46 am
Heard a comment on sky yesterday during the Wolves game that Brum were 4th highest spenders in the league and also had an experienced English manager in Harry ...... disproves the myths that you need a manager who knows the league and spend decent amounts of cash to guarantee success.
Exactly.

Couldn't get much more experience then Arry.

And Birmingham splashed the cash and now they have a "talented young English coach" and are staring relegation in the face.

In fact they are on English coach number 3.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by SG90 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:38 pm

Makes me wonder if Radz will fall for the myth again next time or go foreign and not give them enough time.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by SG90 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:42 pm

Cjay wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:44 am
Funny you mention this.

Just seen this from David Prutton.
https://www.footballinsider247.com/sky- ... -decision/

Right David lets see then shall we.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/champions ... =18&max=30

Results under Hecky are much worse then under TC in his last 13.

Next excuse.
Conversely if Heck was foreign they'd be criticising his appointment and questioning why a young English manager wasn't given a chance instead. :lol:

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by weasel » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:15 pm

Great article - this paragraph though has me hugely concerned as it would suggest that PH is doing even worse than the results show. This would definitely put us in the sh*t if he is allowed to carry on as our current form under him is relegation form as it is - if we get worse then we will sink without trace.


This is not the first time, incidentally, that Goddard has dispelled popular myths. More than a decade ago his research with Stephen Dobson showed the ‘new-manager bounce’ phenomenon is inaccurate because improvements in form after a sacking tend to be just regression to the mean. Why? Well, dismissals usually follow a poor run of results – but those defeats are often down to random bad luck, injuries and a tough run of fixtures, which tend to even out. And when they do, those frustrating defeats and draws suddenly become wins.
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by weasel » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:15 pm

Great article - this paragraph though has me hugely concerned as it would suggest that PH is doing even worse than the results show. This would definitely put us in the sh*t if he is allowed to carry on as our current form under him is relegation form as it is - if we get worse then we will sink without trace.


This is not the first time, incidentally, that Goddard has dispelled popular myths. More than a decade ago his research with Stephen Dobson showed the ‘new-manager bounce’ phenomenon is inaccurate because improvements in form after a sacking tend to be just regression to the mean. Why? Well, dismissals usually follow a poor run of results – but those defeats are often down to random bad luck, injuries and a tough run of fixtures, which tend to even out. And when they do, those frustrating defeats and draws suddenly become wins.
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by SG90 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:33 pm

weasel wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:15 pm
Great article - this paragraph though has me hugely concerned as it would suggest that PH is doing even worse than the results show. This would definitely put us in the sh*t if he is allowed to carry on as our current form under him is relegation form as it is - if we get worse then we will sink without trace.


This is not the first time, incidentally, that Goddard has dispelled popular myths. More than a decade ago his research with Stephen Dobson showed the ‘new-manager bounce’ phenomenon is inaccurate because improvements in form after a sacking tend to be just regression to the mean. Why? Well, dismissals usually follow a poor run of results – but those defeats are often down to random bad luck, injuries and a tough run of fixtures, which tend to even out. And when they do, those frustrating defeats and draws suddenly become wins.
We all know he'll be in charge until about October when we're struggling in the bottom 3 and miles off the top 6 and we'll appoint someone like McCarthy and finish 16th. Another completely wasted season. Just put us out of our misery and hire a top manager ready for pre season.

I'm worried he'll bring in crap we can't shift after he leaves and our better players will go.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by 1964white » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:41 pm

This thread has moved up three places to 4th place in MOT's most popular topics table

Well done fella's :)

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by SG90 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:17 pm

Heck admitting that "Leeds have quality players". The same ones who are suddenly not good enough because he can't win a game.

https://mobile.twitter.com/WALM0T33/sta ... 3438022658

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by 1964white » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:35 pm

SG90 wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:17 pm
Heck admitting that "Leeds have quality players". The same ones who are suddenly not good enough because he can't win a game.

https://mobile.twitter.com/WALM0T33/sta ... 3438022658
We do have three or four quality players plus three decent young lads coming through, we also have a lot of dirge whom are not good enough to wear the white shirt of Leeds

Has been the case for years :(

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by NorfolkWhite » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:58 pm

1964white wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:41 pm
This thread has moved up three places to 4th place in MOT's most popular topics table

Well done fella's :)
I was just thinking that - 52 pages, he may be no good as a manager ;-) but he's great for forum traffic :lol:

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Cjay » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:47 pm

SG90 wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:42 pm
Conversely if Heck was foreign they'd be criticising his appointment and questioning why a young English manager wasn't given a chance instead. :lol:
Daft isnt it :lol:

Hecky is just the latest in a long line of "talented lower league English coaches" who will go on to achieve naff all.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Cjay » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:02 pm

https://www.footballinsider247.com/reli ... eeds-dice/

Wants to bring in another "experienced" coach.

If true and Radz says no think that tells everyone what is going to happen.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by dezzy » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:58 pm

Ok, I’m changing my stance, thinking about how poorly some key players are performing, easy to say it’s the managers fault. Which I have, but I said when TC was here we needed a manager who can get the players playing in the championship enviornment and Heckkngbottoms way doesn’t suit some players and they are digging their heels in and not giving 100%.
He has said he’s seeing which players won’t be here next season, the starting 11 will be interesting Saturday, more sonfor who’s not in it, some of whom may have been key players at the start of the season, but clearly it means they aren’t up to the physical side of the championship, Wiewald being the most obvious example and most gruesome.
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by weasel » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:37 pm

Heck, I'm changing my opinion too. Heck I miss the excitement of regularly winning matches in league 1 and think PH is the man to get us back there - heck we may even end up winning that football league trophy that eluded us last time.
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by SG90 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:51 pm

weasel wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:37 pm
Heck, I'm changing my opinion too. Heck I miss the excitement of regularly winning matches in league 1 and think PH is the man to get us back there - heck we may even end up winning that football league trophy that eluded us last time.
We'll need to hire Lee Johnson to do 95% of the work first then.

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