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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Clive » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:48 am

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Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:30 am
Think the bottom line with Heckingbottom is the stats are damning.

There is no way to gloss over the facts.

He has taken 18 points from a possible 84,
28 games 16 defeats, 9 draws, 3 wins=18points

Do you know which club or manager have done worse during the same period?

None.

Burton have 19 points
Sunderland have 24.

And i havent worked it out but Barnsley do have a better points per game without him then they did with him this season.

28 games is a very reasonable time to judge a manager on and enough games to see some improvement.

That record is indefensible, you cant be unlucky or blame an injury crisis or crucial moments for 28 games, if you have that sort of record it is very difficult to form any other opinion then totally out of his depth.
I can't understand why people keep making excuses for him.

Can you imagine if Arsenal had sacked Arsene Wenger and replaced him with Paul Clement and he brought his Swansea form to Arsenal?

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by 60sUnited » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:09 am

Can't argue with the stats and we will always have differing opinions on a managers tactics, sub decisions etc, but we can only guess about the key points

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by 60sUnited » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:13 am

Ooops, I was going to say....Would TC have done any better, we don't know, not much evidence to suggest he would have. Who out there could come in and do anything better with what imo is a poor squad of players, I can't think of anyone within our budget who would.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Clacton White » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:10 am

Clive wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:48 am
I can't understand why people keep making excuses for him.

Can you imagine if Arsenal had sacked Arsene Wenger and replaced him with Paul Clement and he brought his Swansea form to Arsenal?
Or if Arsenal sacked Arsene Wenger for Paul Heckingbotty and he bought his Barnsley form with him :roflmao: .
If this was another club , we'd all be laughing our socks off . Only Alan Pardew has probably had less positive effect on a club this season , and that's arguable . ....maybe on par perphaps ...thing is WBA have realised ( too late ) , Leeds appear not to have realised as yet . Those arguing he's playing games to see who is or is not an option next season - I think its pissing in the wind - he can't win games , devoid of idea's for this level .......... may have been unlucky with injuries etc and a poor squad , BUT , you would think even then some results may have gone his way out of all the games played . If this is an Orta idea (PH) , as is much of the squad ( I reckon its he who told Radz its a top 6 squad ) , then Orta should go too as he clearly doesn't know the game enough .

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Ratscoot » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:12 am

I’m driving passed Barnsley later today if he needs a lift, if he wants to take all his trophies and awards we can use the Jag but if he wants to take all his Barnsley memorabilia we can use the wife’s people carrier with the seats folded flat
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by paddy parrott » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:27 am

Say a big hello to 'ok Mick on the way by for us , cheers.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by rich_leeds64 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:39 am

Is he still here!!!

Listening to his press conferences almost sends me to sleep, how we can expect him to motivate the squad is beyond me.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by gessa » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:52 am

Leeds United boss Paul Heckingbottom told BBC Radio Leeds:

"In the second half, we wanted more control of the game but we couldn't get that goal to get us back in it.

"Bailey made big saves when we got stretched and the young defenders, Tom Pearce, Paudie O'Connor and Matthew Pennington were excellent.

"There may be more players put in before the end of the season as we've said we want to carry a smaller squad next season


Could we get away with a smaller squad?

More worrying., it looks like he's planning to be here.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by HarryofOz » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:09 am

gessa wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:52 am
Leeds United boss Paul Heckingbottom told BBC Radio Leeds:

"In the second half, we wanted more control of the game but we couldn't get that goal to get us back in it.

"Bailey made big saves when we got stretched and the young defenders, Tom Pearce, Paudie O'Connor and Matthew Pennington were excellent.

"There may be more players put in before the end of the season as we've said we want to carry a smaller squad next season


Could we get away with a smaller squad?

More worrying., it looks like he's planning to be here.
Smaller squad? That seems to contradict whatsisname's statement that any season ticket money will be invested in transfer fees and wages. Though in reality those were always weasel words as our wage bills easily swallows up any season ticket sales.

Though maybe they mean a more expensive but smaller squad - I do have my doubts about that.
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by danhirons » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:39 pm

small squad doesn't contradict the season ticket money being invested into players - you could easily sell two players for 3 mill and buy one for 6 mill (for example)

definitely need a smaller squad - too many players that are not good enough in the squad

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by SG90 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:47 pm

Can't we just get rid of him now? Why bother? Unless the club are deluded enough to keep him on next season. Bilic, Garcia, Wolf all available before they go elsewhere. No to McCarthy.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by SG90 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:20 pm

Cjay wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:41 am
Although as Fred said the next manager has to be better.

He has to have a record to look at and say "yes he has proven himself here here and here".

He has to be someone who will use the squad in the righr way, who will buy into the original blueprint from the summer, who will blood the kids and copy the tactical route of all age groups.

We all know what that is and Radz must go back to it.

For that reason he has to avoid all the usual suspects, Mick McCarthy, Alan Pardew etc.

Old fashioned English manager isn't whats needed imo.

But unproven lower league manager isnt the answer either.

Hecky is a mix of both and he was wrong.

We need a manager to unite the fanbase again, to unite the players.

A manager who we as fans can look at and say "well he did well here and he plays good football etc etc lets give him a chance".

There are decent managers out there

And i would be inclined to go foreign.

The DOF, the playing style, its setup for a continental coach.

Not a Mick McCarthy yelling "Kick it, now Kick it arder".

Made my choices known but theres all sorts
Slaven Billic
Oscar Garcia
Even Hannes Wolf, young coach well thought of in Germany, success at Dortmund as a youth coach, took Stuttgart back to the Bundesliga at 1st time of asking, a historically big club with a demanding fan base.

So they are out there, but Radz must get it right this time.
These are exactly my sentiments.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Cjay » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:03 pm

SG90 wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:47 pm
Can't we just get rid of him now? Why bother? Unless the club are deluded enough to keep him on next season. Bilic, Garcia, Wolf all available before they go elsewhere. No to McCarthy.
Thought we should give him till the end of the season, changed my mind now, needs to go, Monday morning.

Biggest worry is he will scrape a few wins against crap sides and that'll save him. :(

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Cjay » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:05 pm

Clive wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:48 am
I can't understand why people keep making excuses for him.

Can you imagine if Arsenal had sacked Arsene Wenger and replaced him with Paul Clement and he brought his Swansea form to Arsenal?
I am.

Been chuckling all day.

Its funny.

Who would replace a top 10 manager with a bottom 4 . . . . What sort of , oh, wait :cry:

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by faaip » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:11 pm

Not much worse than one of the greatest managers of all time ...
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by SG90 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:27 pm

Cjay wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:03 pm
Thought we should give him till the end of the season, changed my mind now, needs to go, Monday morning.

Biggest worry is he will scrape a few wins against crap sides and that'll save him. :(
If the club are talking to him about who he wants to keep, sadly it suggests he will stay in charge next season. Another waste of a season when he's sacked in October and the new manager doesn't want his players.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Clive » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:38 pm

faaip wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:11 pm
Not much worse than one of the greatest managers of all time ...
And what did Clough do when he came in?

Told all the players to chuck all their medals in the bin.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by SG90 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:49 pm

Clive wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:38 pm
And what did Clough do when he came in?

Told all the players to chuck all their medals in the bin.
Two of our worst managers in our history both said they hated Leeds before they got the job. What a coincidence.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by fred » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:56 pm

Clive wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:25 am

I don't want Heckingbottom sacked and replaced with someone equally as bad, and if that happens I'll be wanting them out from day one, and no doubt you'll be on my case about that.
No doubt you know what I will and won`t.
It's ridiculous logic to suggest we keep a hopeless manager because we might get one as bad. It's like saying don't repair a puncture because you might get another one.
So you say: sack and try to get lucky and/or you believe Heck is one of the worst aroud, in which case it can only get better. I find your approach ridiculous: when was the last time we sacked a coach and got someone better in?
I've been following football for 27 years, I've seen the good the bad and the average and I know the difference between a decent manager and a hopeless loser who can blag it.
No doubt you can, sir. If you would come out with your full Name, we could maybe start a petition for you being the main advisor in regard to which coach should or should not be hired. I guess you would prepared to do this favour on the cheap too.

I would love to see Heckingbottom prove you wrong...but I guess you would have your explanaition: he underachieved with the squad he had available...lol...I`m used to people who argue the way you do. It`s a waste of time mostly.

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