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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thur 14 June)

Post by faaip » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:38 pm

It's always the unknown, no team, manager, Dof or Chairman has a divine right to win anything...This is unknown mixed with experimental and with a large dash of volatile on the side

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thur 14 June)

Post by 1964white » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:06 pm

Cjay wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:03 pm
He's very demanding and I think that goes against him as well as for him.

Ancelotti was out of work up until recently, I'll assume you'd take him?

Agree his tendency to leave when things don't go his way is concerning and not what Aston Villa need at this point in time. That said we don't know what transpired each time he decided to call it a day, his reasons could be noble for all we know or care.

You choose not to mention the records he set with Chile or his two cup finals with Bilbao, beating United in both legs en route to lose to Atletico Madrid in the Europa League final, and Barcelona in the Copa Del Rey. His record at Argentina isn't even all that bad, one defining loss to an England team which featured some of the country's greats.

He had a relatively easy run in the Copa Del Rey but overcame Schalke and Sporting as well as United in the Europa League. Better than MON could do for us.

It's the stories I've read and the philosophy, tactics and attention to detail that make me think he's a great coach. He plays a pressing, attacking, possession based brand of football that is extremely demanding of his players tactically, physically, mentally and technically. You don't need to take my or Guardiola's word for it. There are a number of places you will find him labelled a genius. Guardiola says that titles aren't a factor when he addresses Bielsa as the best,  and when you've been an influence to managers like Guardiola, Simeone and Pochettino you see that he has offered the game more than silverware.

For me though it's the way he approaches the game. It's exactly what I'm looking for in a coach of any team sport. Adept in what has come before him and influential in his own brand that he has crafted. Not to mention he is obviously good with people too. It's easy to look at his nickname and club departures and assume he's a nut, but I can't imagine you've taken the time to look in to either, as if you had explored Bielsa you would find the reasons as to why I and many others praise him.

You say he hasn't got a job, what manager have we had since Houllier that can boast the likes of Argentina, Chile, Bilbao, Marseille, Lazio and Lille? Not even MON competes with that.

People want to mention money. Look at what Bruce spent.

Bielsa brought in Bilbao's highest scoring striker for the last 6 years for a total sum of.. 2.5milliion. He averages 24 goals a season over that 6 years.

His squad that took them to two cup finals consisted of 16 out of 29 players being either youth products, free transfers or deals under 300,000!! He had 7.5million to bring in Ander Herrera. They also finished 10th in La Liga with this squad. 16 out of 29 players for under 300k a pop. Two cup finals, 10th in La Liga.

He also has the quality to coach and influence the likes of Pochettino, Alexis Sanchez, Medel, Vidal, Llorente (scored 29 goals under him), Javi Martinez (got a move to Bayern). You can see the qualities and philosophy of Bielsa's coaching in each of their games.

Not to mention the way he treats the press and his philosophy regarding youth:

"Bielsa likes to systematise the game. He says that there are 29 distinct formations in football and believes that every young player should be given the opportunity to experience each of them. [45]

Fernando Llorente, who played under Bielsa at Athletic Bilbao, said of his former coach, "At first he seems tough and he may even annoy you with his persistence and don't-take-no-for-an-answer resilience, but in the end he is a genius."[46] Former Argentina National Team Striker Gabriel Batistuta proclaimed about Bielsa 'he was the one who taught me how to train on rainy days, he taught me everything[47]

Manchester City player Benjamin Mendy cited for his improvement under Bielsa at Marseille, Mendy claimed Bielsa had "given back to him the strength and aggressiveness lost last year."[48][49] His teammate Aymeric Laporte who was given his debut by Bielsa at Athletic Bilbao, described him as a 'mentor' figure.[50]

As Bielsa refuses to grant exclusive interviews, the press conference has become his preferred method of communication. He has been known to field every last question from the assembled media during these gatherings. If the talk turns to the intricacies of the game, a three- or even four-hour press conference is possible. According to him, "Every media should get the same attention from me, from the biggest TV station to the smallest newspaper."

I'm just getting started, but I'm going to leave it there for now. What you should really be interested in though is analysis of his formations, tactics and philosophy. That is where he has made a name for himself and where he has gone on to influence the likes mentioned above.

I can post some videos if anyone is interested.

All that aside, aren't we looking for someone a who's going to demand a lot from the group we have, and with some of Bielsa's philosophies I might even suggest someone who will embrace the sort of challenges that face us as a club.

Bielsa or Bruce?

I'm more amazed that Bielsa has put himself in the discussion than I am that someone would suggest Bruce is the superior choice.
Excellent read Cjay :tup:

Hopefully Bielsa would bring us the success we all crave for !

Certainly don't want Bruce anywhere near ER

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thur 14 June)

Post by Cjay » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:44 pm

Ellandback1 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:57 pm
Really well written pal.

I suppose with Bielsa its more exciting - its the unknown...

On the downside - its the unknown... :)
I applaud the Villa fan who took the time to research him to write that.

Its all very exciting :)

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thur 14 June)

Post by Cjay » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:45 pm

1964white wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:06 pm
Excellent read Cjay :tup:

Hopefully Bielsa would bring us the success we all crave for !

Certainly don't want Bruce anywhere near ER
Indeed Leon, the writer did his research :tup:

Every appointment is a risk.

But a Championship club attracting a manager of that standing is unheard of.

Hopefully as a fan base we can not jump on his back after 5 games.

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thur 14 June)

Post by Norm » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:03 am

faaip wrote:

It's always the unknown, no team, manager, Dof or Chairman has a divine right to win anything...This is unknown mixed with experimental and with a large dash of volatile on the side
I'm listening to you and hoping you're not right, whilst fearing you are.

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