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Re: Transfers. Signings Rumours and Wishes.

Post by Richard » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:34 am

A few things that don’t make any sense to me....

1) Vydra - I don’t believe he agreed a wage of £30k and upped his demand at the last minute to £50k a week, it just makes no sense. I believe someone didn’t do their homework, discovered he was on 30k a week at Derby and assumed he would want the same. Either that or they believed we could sell him the Bielsa dream. Lots of time wasted or PR ticket sales stunt?

2) Hernandez - Working on the assumption we had £11m for Vydra and £30k a week, Hernandez with a signing on fee of £3m and £40-£50k a week is far cheaper. A three year contract with the signing on fee at the top end of 50k a week is still 10.8m, in 18 months time if we needed to sell you can’t tell me we wouldn’t get £10m easily for Hernandez.

We have shipped out several players, we can shift a few more, why replace them with more lower end quality, you get what you pay for in this division.

3) Blackman on loan, is he better than BPF? I was all for the experience of Stockdale on loan or the brilliance of Gunn on loan but Blackman? He was dropped a few times by Sheffield United, he is being sent out on loan to gain experience, would he improve spending time with the Chelsea coaches or sitting on the Leeds bench? Have we had to offer assurances over him being first choice?

4) Bartley - He would jump at the chance to come back here and at £4m surely he is a better option than Cooper? If Bielsa has said no find me better is he in for a shock?

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Post by gessa » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:52 pm

I'm still wondering why Henandez still hasn't signed for anyone, also why hasn't someone else come in for Vydra?

Is Blackman any better than BPF, don't like this signing for 2 reasons.

Bartley, we would hard pressed to find better at this level, based on his seasons loan here but we could certainly find someone for £4M who is less injury prone.

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Post by gessa » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:54 pm

Also I think we could find Grabban the buy of the season at £6M

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Post by 1964white » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:37 pm

Richard wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:34 am
4) Bartley - He would jump at the chance to come back here and at £4m surely he is a better option than Cooper? If Bielsa has said no find me better is he in for a shock?
Absolutely a better option Richard, our coaches don't seem to think so although credit to Monk he call it right when he brought in Jansson to firmly plug the brittle gap after an average start with Captain Chaos & Bartley as our CB's, CC only played cup games in the main once a proper CB pairing was in place. Some on here still think Captain Chaos is good enough :roll:

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Post by 1964white » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:41 pm

gessa wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:52 pm
I'm still wondering why Henandez still hasn't signed for anyone, also why hasn't someone else come in for Vydra?
Greed mate.....if they want those sort of salaries premiership clubs need to sign them even though they are clearly not good enough for that level

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Post by Richard » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:23 am

gessa wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:52 pm
I'm still wondering why Henandez still hasn't signed for anyone, also why hasn't someone else come in for Vydra?

Is Blackman any better than BPF, don't like this signing for 2 reasons.

Bartley, we would hard pressed to find better at this level, based on his seasons loan here but we could certainly find someone for £4M who is less injury prone.
My take and pure guesswork. Lampard has said he wants to Keep Vydra, the club have financial problems so that’s the only reason they are entertaining bids for him otherwise they’d never sell.

Vydra is on £30k a week, he signed for Derby when they were expected to be strong promotion contenders so he probably has a very good promotion clause tied in. He hasn’t asked to leave so he is probably saying I’m not going anywhere unless you offer silly money, I’m content where I am.

In regards to Hernandez some foreign teams have apparently approached him but he wishes to remain in the UK. I’m guessing those that would have afforded him last season are tight for cash this season and he has been injured so he is a gamble.

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Post by gessa » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:20 am

Richard wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:23 am
My take and pure guesswork. Lampard has said he wants to Keep Vydra, the club have financial problems so that’s the only reason they are entertaining bids for him otherwise they’d never sell.

Vydra is on £30k a week, he signed for Derby when they were expected to be strong promotion contenders so he probably has a very good promotion clause tied in. He hasn’t asked to leave so he is probably saying I’m not going anywhere unless you offer silly money, I’m content where I am.

In regards to Hernandez some foreign teams have apparently approached him but he wishes to remain in the UK. I’m guessing those that would have afforded him last season are tight for cash this season and he has been injured so he is a gamble.

If you're correct and that is very plausible, then the ball is in Hernandez's court to show some realism in his demands.

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Post by faaip » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:14 am

In AF he'd be wanting to sign a 1 year prove it deal.
BPF - Beradi - Jansson - Forshaw - Cooper - Douglas - Hernandez - Klich - Saiz - Roofe - Clarke

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Post by faaip » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:02 am

Cardiff chasing Ronaldo Vierra ...
BPF - Beradi - Jansson - Forshaw - Cooper - Douglas - Hernandez - Klich - Saiz - Roofe - Clarke

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Post by Cjay » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:52 pm

Hopefully nothing in that.

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Post by faaip » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:58 pm

Warnock has professed an admiration for Vierra in the past IIRC and he's not the only one who thinks we have something special on our hands
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Post by Cjay » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:26 pm

I agree with Warnock, think Vieira gets far to much criticism and will play for England.

Just hope Radz agrees and laughs at Cardiff if they come calling.

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Post by Cjay » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:48 pm

Kemar Roofe to West Brom rumours not going away.

Phil Hay saying the club wants to keep him.

But Roofe is a Walsall boy who came through the West Brom academy.

Probably pay better wages then us, one to watch.

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Post by MightyWhites » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:13 pm

I think if RV leaves for Cardiff then I think we have serious problems. IMO Cardiff will last one season in the Premiership before they are relegated and if RV thinks they are a better option than us, in the long term then I think we have to question what our owners objectives are?

We had this before with Lewis Cook, but he left to join a highly thought of manager (EH) who has done a good job in Premiership, something Colin has never done.

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Post by faaip » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:34 pm

MightyWhites wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:13 pm
I think if RV leaves for Cardiff then I think we have serious problems. IMO Cardiff will last one season in the Premiership before they are relegated and if RV thinks they are a better option than us, in the long term then I think we have to question what our owners objectives are?

We had this before with Lewis Cook, but he left to join a highly thought of manager (EH) who has done a good job in Premiership, something Colin has never done.
Most Leeds fans think he's junk, he's not slated to start with us bringing in Baker and Klich, Ideguchi, and Forshaw battling for the same spot. I'd want to move in that case.
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Post by faaip » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:35 pm

He stays if Biesla wants him to ...
BPF - Beradi - Jansson - Forshaw - Cooper - Douglas - Hernandez - Klich - Saiz - Roofe - Clarke

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Post by Norm » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:31 am

I hope he stays - what little I've seen of him has been very encouraging and his attitude is spot-on.

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Post by Richard » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:40 am

Kurt Zouma apparently Blackman tweeted “see you soon” then deleted the tweet. Social media in a frenzy Leeds fans believing Zouma could be about to join on loan

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Post by danhirons » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:43 am

Richard wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:40 am
Kurt Zouma apparently Blackman tweeted “see you soon” then deleted the tweet. Social media in a frenzy Leeds fans believing Zouma could be about to join on loan

haha we wish! absolutely zero chance of this unfortunately. stoke paid an enormous fee for his loan last season (7 mill I think)

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Post by Gandalf » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:48 pm

You can only loan two players >23 years old from the same club. So no more Chelsea loans.
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