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Norm wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:52 am ...but those fans didn't give the new owners 15 minutes before they were saying 'xxx out' in every case, before it was justified, in other words no fair chance was given. 'Us fans' decided immediately that we knew better than anyone else.

I agree KB was a bit of a sh*t, but he did bring a certain stability to the place (ask your mate Riot). GFH were absolutely excrement, Cellino was way better than we deserved at the time, and Radz is still in court to be judged.

On all fronts, faaip is correct as to the impression other potential takers-over may have judged us.

Cjay's excellent summation of our inability to attract a new billionaire owner was well-presented, and I have to agree with him, but the real reasons as to why the biggest club outside the Premiership could not attract a bid from such a magnate may be closer to the fanbase than you think. The Leeds boo-boys are way too vociferous and know-it-all and, I'm sorry to say, may have had a hand in ensuring that Leeds go forward without such a really rich benefactor.
15 minutes I don't think so Norm

Bates was at Leeds for nearly seven years, he promised us premiership once saying :

"If you want premiership football you pay premiership prices" as he trampled all over our fanbase charging them £550 to £700 for season tickets & the highest priced match day tickets more than the majority of the premiership clubs were charging at the time. For that we endured our first stint ever in League One plus knocked out of the FA Cup by a non-league team for the first time in our history.
Bates always insisted he would only sell the club to a group of businessmen who had the clubs interest at heart, so what does he do.....he sells to GFH, the less said the better about that bunch of sharks who almost drove us into bankruptcy for the second time in less than ten years.

Massimo was at Leeds for three years, he spent much of his time dealing with court cases which tarnished our clubs name somewhat.
After saying that I didn't mind Cellino even though he was a fruitcake, he had to strip-bare the clubs resources in an effort to get us back on an even keel again

Now we have Radz who gave the impression everything was going to be much improved.
He purchased the ground as it was a personal investment & that venture drew the fans on his side. Like our previous owners he employed rookie coaches to go with all the other average managers who have run our club.
Tbf to the man he did admit that he got the player recruitment all wrong last season. He has since employed possibly the best coach we've seen at ER in a long time however what matters to fans is what they see on the pitch. Where are the quality players that are desperately required if LUFC wishes to progress?
Then there is LUTV, fans are moaning how poor the streaming is of late & rightly so if they are paying good money to watch Leeds United, pretty poor bearing in mind he specialises in sports media, oh & the badge what a fiasco that was....

I could go on & write pages on the demise of Leeds United over the last fifteen years.

One common denominator is poor owners, poor managers & poor recruitment of players

There is no way anyone can blame our fans who have given full their support to our beloved club in all the adversity, such loyalty deserves rewarding big-time

We'll wait & see, as I say que sera sera !
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faaip wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:48 pm I know you do mate and I don't agree with you.
Faaip please tell me which owners over the last fifteen years have shown any ambition?
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Azkalwhite wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:03 am Got to respect your opinion, (possibly respect maybe the wrong word), but don't often agree mate :)
Why's that then ?
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Leon old son, I'm not really knocking you, but I reckon that, even if you had 2 positive addends you'd still end up with a negative sum :whistle:

You're not alone in wanting the club to go forward at 100 metre speed to win the marathon that getting us back up there is going to need.
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...and it is a bloody long time since we did anything worth a crap (2010) so I can understand your pov.

I've said my piece and now I'll shut up on the basis that we are all MOT!
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On a lighter and more positive note, after this post I will only have to make 528 more posts to get my 6th ball! Whoopee!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1964white wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:43 am Faaip please tell me which owners over the last fifteen years have shown any ambition?
All of them outside of GFH within the limits of their budgets...
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Azkalwhite wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:03 am Not a criticism of loyal football fans 64, (as I am, and everyone on this forum, even the ones unable to attend matches are loyal fans), just trying to redress the balance as I see on here, where I feel there is undue, impetuous, and disparaging remarks against AR on a daily basis, when in reality, (IMO), he has had very little time in the grand scheme of things to make our club great again.

I also feel sympathy for other football fans of once successful clubs, Sheffield W, Sheffield U, Blackburn, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Coventry, Luton, Bury, who must be equally frustrated and ambitious for success again.

I also wish that my kids, have the chance to witness the great moments, (the older ones have to some extent), that I have witnessed through the years, but for now they go to the games and get behind their team win or lose.

Am surprised that you profess to have a "what will be will be attitude", it does not seem to come across in your daily comments ;-)

Got to respect your opinion, (possibly respect maybe the wrong word), but don't often agree mate :)
Probably for the best I keep stumm on the subject of Leeds United in the future as I appear to be the big bad wolf on here :(
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1964white wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:10 pm Probably for the best I keep stumm on the subject of Leeds United in the future as I appear to be the big bad wolf on here :(
I think it's called realism. If the management don't speak up about why they have signed no-one with only a couple of weeks of the window to go, coupled with our recent history of bad owners then they really don't know what they're doing,

From saying what an exiting summer it was going to be to where we are now and the management not saying a word is bizarre , considering our owner is supposed to be some sort of PR Guru. As it has been stated if Biesla goes it could be the last straw for Radz with a lot of fans I assume.
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MightyWhites wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:52 pm I think it's called realism. If the management don't speak up about why they have signed no-one with only a couple of weeks of the window to go, coupled with our recent history of bad owners then they really don't know what they're doing,

From saying what an exiting summer it was going to be to where we are now and the management not saying a word is bizarre , considering our owner is supposed to be some sort of PR Guru. As it has been stated if Biesla goes it could be the last straw for Radz with a lot of fans I assume.
I've been realistic for years & I haven't been far wrong Mighty

I can't comment too much for the fear of appearing negative !
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Not Anti Radz (yet) but he has done his fair share to tarnish our good name.

The Myanmar debacle is the most shameful act of self promotion i have seen, to use the club to further his own business interests by taking it to a country in the midst of a genocide and have the tour funded and sponsored by a man whose own wealth is largely down to being pally with those behind the genocide was disgusting. He is entitled to do as he wishes as the clubs owner but that was far worse then anything in a larger context then anyone else did.

We then had the Wolves rant, a rant that made us as a club look like sore losers and made Radz look like a big baby jealous of other clubs toys.

A rant that soon after was followed by some hasty backtracking and then name dropping and promises that as of yet are not close to looking anything more then the act of a man desperate to save face.

That is something Radz gets far to much leeway with, what he said after his Wolves rant wasnt an implication, it was a statement, he said "if what Wolves did was legal i will do the same, then proceeded to name drop Mendes and Raiola".

Had this been MC or Bates or The Bank then this would be brought up daily now, as it is its largely forgotten.

Those two acts alone were they Cellino for example to this day they would be mentioned every day, Radz has got away relatively lightly.

The only real positives anyone can come up with for Radz are.
1) we seem to be ok financially, something that actually owes a large debt of gratitude to the much criticised Cellino.

2) The youth teams seem decent, that i admit he does deserve credit for.

3) He got Elland Road back, covered above, doesnt deserve credit for what was a sensible business decision for him, makes little difference to us.

4) Marcelo Bielsa, an appointment that is both exciting and potentially disastrous in equal measure.
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Cjay wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:17 pm Not Anti Radz (yet) but he has done his fair share to tarnish our good name.

The Myanmar debacle is the most shameful act of self promotion i have seen, to use the club to further his own business interests by taking it to a country in the midst of a genocide and have the tour funded and sponsored by a man whose own wealth is largely down to being pally with those behind the genocide was disgusting. He is entitled to do as he wishes as the clubs owner but that was far worse then anything in a larger context then anyone else did.

We then had the Wolves rant, a rant that made us as a club look like sore losers and made Radz look like a big baby jealous of other clubs toys.

A rant that soon after was followed by some hasty backtracking and then name dropping and promises that as of yet are not close to looking anything more then the act of a man desperate to save face.

That is something Radz gets far to much leeway with, what he said after his Wolves rant wasnt an implication, it was a statement, he said "if what Wolves did was legal i will do the same, then proceeded to name drop Mendes and Raiola".

Had this been MC or Bates or The Bank then this would be brought up daily now, as it is its largely forgotten.
I'm saying nothing :lol: you can getaway with it Cjay
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1964white wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:15 pm I'm saying nothing :lol: you can getaway with it Cjay
Never meant as an Anti Radz thread, just one born out of frustration and jealousy i suppose.

But while i understand the calls for time, there has to be recognition of 2 huge errors, there not even errors, they are disasters in terms of PR and management that Radz is solely responsible for.
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Personally don't give a s**t about rants ...If I have them then I'm a hypocrite for condemning others
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1964white wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:47 am Why's that then ?
Not sure mate, perhaps you like coffee and I like tea... ;-)
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Leon, you, like every other poster on here, can say whatever you like (within the rules and spirit of the forum). If your post appears negative, and someone with a more positive view challenges it, argue your point. That's the point of a forum, after all, where opinions are offered up and discussed/debated. Stand your ground, don't just suggest you're not going to post anymore. if we all took that view every time an opinion was challenged, the forum would wither and die. Post away, mate, just don't expect everyone to share your viewpoint, that's the nature of the beast.
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lufc1304 wrote: Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:41 pm Leon, you, like every other poster on here, can say whatever you like (within the rules and spirit of the forum). If your post appears negative, and someone with a more positive view challenges it, argue your point. That's the point of a forum, after all, where opinions are offered up and discussed/debated. Stand your ground, don't just suggest you're not going to post anymore. if we all took that view every time an opinion was challenged, the forum would wither and die. Post away, mate, just don't expect everyone to share your viewpoint, that's the nature of the beast.
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1964white wrote: Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:16 pm
Very trying at times :lol:
See Mr 64.... I for one can agree with this, so your theory of no one agreeing with you is blown out of the water..

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as for other forums ...this is easily the most balanced and intelligent forum for LUFC I've come across. There's very little one sided opinion here
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