Spot on.1964white wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:12 pm Indeed it has MJ
We also attract so many scroungers who are here for all the wrong reasons
We have enough problems of our own without taking in the worlds waifs & strays
Our NHS is in a mess trying to cope with huge demands, schools are overflowing, public services are inefficient & overcrowded & as a country we are generally run in debt.
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I guess they're too busy working their socks off to stop us watching LUFC for free, and seeing who Bielsa's got peeping over the top of a training pitch fence to be bothered with terrorists and extremism
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she joined isis an extremist radical hate cult and now they are getting their f**king asses whipped and in total meltdown and all of suddenly Now she decides she needs to come home. she chose the caliphate and now she can f**k off with her scummy martyr husband and die .frankly she makes me and others like her sick to the stomach . over and out .radebe88 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:08 pm Well you seem really intelligent and articulate so I should probably just assume you are right . I had a problem with you calling an unborn human being a "mass murderer" and "serial rapist" and you calling for the child to be "put down".
This is the exact attitude that creates divide and tension and makes a teenage Muslim girl more susceptible to grooming by ISIS because "perhaps they are right about what westerners think about us."
I don't know the answer either way as it is an incredibly complex topic and I can see how people can be worried about her returning and can see how others have sympathy. There are some really good opinions in this topic so far but I hope that you calm down and learn to think rationally instead of emotionally as it doesn't leave you looking great.
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correct bob.BobHirst wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:38 pm I think his sentence is grammatically incorrect and he is not referring to the baby. The "mass murderer" and "serial rapist" he refers to is the husband.
Did the girl join ISIS because we think that that is what they do, or did she join ISIS because that is what they do?
I think she made a (bad) choice and she has lost any "right" to return here. Let a muslim country of her choice pay for the upbringing of her child, not a country she rejected.
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I agree with this. She is unrepentant, showing no remorse and just expects to be able to waltz back into this country to use the NHS because her wonderful caliphate is falling apart. She made her choice and now she can live or die with it. I for one do NOT want her or any other Jihadi bride returning.leic white 63 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:29 pm she joined isis an extremist radical hate cult and now they are getting their f**king asses whipped and in total meltdown and all of suddenly Now she decides she needs to come home. she chose the caliphate and now she can f**k off with her scummy martyr husband and die .frankly she makes me and others like her sick to the stomach . over and out .
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A regime that was created in the power vacuum caused by us bombing the fk out of the Middle East for 15 years, fighting proxy wars and overthrowing sovereign nations. And now we're supposed to be scared of a teenage girl, because it's her fault, apparently.leic white 63 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:56 pm the bitch went to join and fight for a regime who wanted to kill us !
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It's always the wrong people who get the blame though. Not the financial elite who bleed the system dry for their own greed, but those at the bottom of the pile who are struggling to survive any way they can. Divide and rule.1964white wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:12 pm Indeed it has MJ
We also attract so many scroungers who are here for all the wrong reasons
We have enough problems of our own without taking in the worlds waifs & strays
Our NHS is in a mess trying to cope with huge demands, schools are overflowing, public services are inefficient & overcrowded & as a country we are generally run in debt.
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This!1964white wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:12 pm Indeed it has MJ
We also attract so many scroungers who are here for all the wrong reasons
We have enough problems of our own without taking in the worlds waifs & strays
Our NHS is in a mess trying to cope with huge demands, schools are overflowing, public services are inefficient & overcrowded & as a country we are generally run in debt.
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Good post bb.....totally agree.becchio bear wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:45 pm I agree with this. She is unrepentant, showing no remorse and just expects to be able to waltz back into this country to use the NHS because her wonderful caliphate is falling apart. I for one do NOT want her or any other Jihadi bride returning.
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Anybody from the UK who left to fight with ISIS should have had their passport cancelled and not allowed back for any reason. They went there to kill British soldiers pure and simple. Saying they were young and impressionable is absolute rubbish, they know why they’re going and once there the hatred for all things western continues. Thinking she and the others like her can come back and be deradicalised is ridiculous and dangerous and the cost for surveillance on her and her associates is astronomical. I served in Iraq and Afghanistan amongst other op tours and believe me these people despise us and all things western........ except the free health care,housing, NHS care and all the benefits you get in a first world country
She didn’t go there to be a nurse or help children she went there to marry an ISIS fighter and breed children for the caliphate pure and simple. Have the kid over there and raise it there and regret every action that led you to where you are now all because you hated the country you were raised in. Saying she was radicalised online is a bit far fetched, her father has been recorded at anti western demonstrations etc.
So for me it’s a big fat no. Give her and the others to Assad and let his forces sort them out.
She didn’t go there to be a nurse or help children she went there to marry an ISIS fighter and breed children for the caliphate pure and simple. Have the kid over there and raise it there and regret every action that led you to where you are now all because you hated the country you were raised in. Saying she was radicalised online is a bit far fetched, her father has been recorded at anti western demonstrations etc.
So for me it’s a big fat no. Give her and the others to Assad and let his forces sort them out.
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Breaking News: an old man currently hiding in Argentina wishes to come back to Germany for the sake of his children and grandchildren, he admits joining an extremist party in the 1930s but it wasn’t his fault he was young, didn’t really know what he was getting into ( wishes the internet had been about so he could have got more info) and the older boys groomed him, he witnessed many atrocities but never partook himself it was all the older boys fault.
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I wonder if people would be as strongly opposed to her return if she was white and called Emily instead of Shamima.
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In my case it would be a big yes - I’m not opposed to her colour or choice of religion, I’m opposed to her choice of extremism
For myself I’m a middle aged balding white Atheist male but I’ve lived and worked in a number of country’s with people of of all races, colours and religious backgrounds. I choose at a very early age (11) to be an atheist based largely on the wars and abuse that are carried out in the name of religion but actually due to many of the people I’ve lived and worked with if I was to choose a religion it would be Islam because the many Islamic people I’ve known they are the kindest
I’ve worked in a war zone, I know and have seen the things men and women can do to each other
Don’t assume you know me or what I think just because I’m a white male with no hair cause you DON’T
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Not a subject for a forum where most are are friendly term. I made my point early and that's where I left it. The person I agree with most on this thread is Sara but I'm not getting into argument with respected posters on a subject where none of us have a clue what's really going on
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I agree Faaip, so I shall lock it now..
If any want it unlocked, please pm me or another mod and we will sort it.
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Sara M has just asked if I could add this to the topic
I would have liked the opportunity to make clear that I wasn't making assumptions about Ratscoot, or anyone else, with my comment. It was intended as a general question to contribute to the discussion, not a criticism of anyone's views
I would have liked the opportunity to make clear that I wasn't making assumptions about Ratscoot, or anyone else, with my comment. It was intended as a general question to contribute to the discussion, not a criticism of anyone's views
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Shamima Begum loses her UK citizenship