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Re: MB Issues

Post by 1964white » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:45 am

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Not doubting that 64 but you have to agree his contribution has been limited recently, I'm sure it won't last though.
Pablo is still likely to produce one golden opportunity at any given moment as he did in the first-half as he put it on a plate for us to score ending up in a scrambled chance, we should have scored.

There are certain players in our team Bielsa should never take off unless they are having an absolute howler or injured, Pablo is one of them.

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Re: MB Issues

Post by 1964white » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:50 am

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For me the substitution that possibly affected us most was when Pablo went off, although it looked like he had taken a knock. It seemed to really affect our shape especially with Alioski moving to left wing, with Douglas to left back. It seemed to really throw our whole balance and shape and we were no longer able to keep Derby penned in. They were suddenly able to find passes and once that happens spaces will open up.
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Re: MB Issues

Post by 1964white » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:56 am

gessa wrote:
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:tup:

Agree, Costa has blown hot and cold, I've seen little yet to suggest he's a starter, same as Eddie as our out and out striker, don't think it's his game, as it stands both are better coming on , even though Eddie needs more than 11 minutes. I do think we could have him and Bamford in the same team at home, worked when he came on against Brentford,Bielsa even said so, keep things exactly as they are away from home, that's working out just fine.
I'm with you on these points Ges.

Costa & Nketiah are bench players who can make an impact.

My main concern is that LB LWB position. Ayling (RB) & Dallas (LB) for me v Charlton

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Re: MB Issues

Post by gessa » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:01 am

1964white wrote:
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I'm with you on these points Ges.

Costa & Nketiah are bench players who can make an impact.

My main concern is that LB LWB position. Ayling (RB) & Dallas (LB) for me v Charlton
Like you, I think LB is our weakest position, not sure if Ayling is ready just yet but if so, that is the only change I'd make, only downside is even though Dallas' natural position is on the left, as a full back he has been better at rb than ever he was at lb but surely he'd be better than the 2 we're using now.

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Re: MB Issues

Post by SG90 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:02 am

Dallas was poor at LB though and Ayling makes us weaker defensively as he's constantly caught out of position.
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Re: MB Issues

Post by 1964white » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:25 am

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Like you, I think LB is our weakest position, not sure if Ayling is ready just yet but if so, that is the only change I'd make, only downside is even though Dallas' natural position is on the left, as a full back he has been better at rb than ever he was at lb but surely he'd be better than the 2 we're using now.
Catch 22 scenario mate

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Re: MB Issues

Post by gessa » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:27 am

1964white wrote:
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Catch 22 scenario mate
Or we could keep Dallas at RB and play our best LB there.

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Re: MB Issues

Post by 1964white » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:31 am

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Dallas was poor at LB though and Ayling makes us weaker defensively as he's constantly caught out of position.
When did Dallas last play LB ?

His confidence is sky high now so he may adapt to the LB role, worth a try as our other options down the left are very weak

Ayling/Pablo & Dallas/Harrison much better than the current set-up imo!

Lets see how Bielsa plays it as he must have noticed how vulnerable we are down that left flank, every opposition coach has :(

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Re: MB Issues

Post by 1964white » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:33 am

gessa wrote:
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Or we could keep Dallas at RB and play our best LB there.
Davis :-D

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Re: MB Issues

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1964white wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:31 am
When did Dallas last play LB ?

His confidence is sky high now so he may adapt to the LB role, worth a try as our other options down the left are very weak

Ayling/Pablo & Dallas/Harrison much better than the current set-up imo!

Lets see how Bielsa plays it as he must have noticed how vulnerable we are down that left flank, every opposition coach has :(
Brentford and Blackburn last year. Bielsa said he made a mistake playing him there after both games.
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Re: MB Issues

Post by rab_rant » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:45 am

1964white wrote: Davis :-D
Berra has done LB before and he can defend.

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Re: MB Issues

Post by 1964white » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:48 am

SG90 wrote:
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Brentford and Blackburn last year. Bielsa said he made a mistake playing him there after both games.
Sometime ago then SG before the new Dallas played for Leeds

Would be interesting to see if SD copes better now, maybe not even though he has played much of his career on the left-flank :duno:

Dallas has been brilliant at RB this season

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Re: MB Issues

Post by 1964white » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:49 am

rab_rant wrote:
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Berra has done LB before and he can defend.

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Re: MB Issues

Post by SG90 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:57 am

1964white wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:48 am
Sometime ago then SG before the new Dallas played for Leeds

Would be interesting to see if SD copes better now, maybe not even though he has played much of his career on the left-flank :duno:

Dallas has been brilliant at RB this season
I'd rather keep Dallas at RB. I think he's miles better than Ayling, who makes us weaker defensively.
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Re: MB Issues

Post by 1964white » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:01 pm

SG90 wrote:
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I'd rather keep Dallas at RB. I think he's miles better than Ayling, who makes us weaker defensively.
I understand your view although I think we miss Ayling going forward

I'm a big fan of Luke Ayling so maybe I'm bias

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Re: MB Issues

Post by weasel » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:04 pm

1964white wrote:
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Have said throughout this season Douglas & Alioski don't warrant a first-team place. Other teams know exactly where to concentrate their attacking moves with our weaknesses down the left flank

Can't believe the great man hasn't seen it, blatantly obvious to me !
We haven't conceded a goal in the league until substitutions have been made, usually involving Alioski either moving positions (to left wing) or not having Harrison in front of him. Against Bristol Alioski came on in the 79th minute to replace Douglas just after Bristol had scored. Against Forest Alioski came on as a sub to play left wing, replacing Harrison and 6 minutes later we conceded. Against Swansea Alioski was subbed (for Douglas) after 83 minutes and 7 minutes later we conceded. Against Derby Douglas came on after 73 minutes pushing Alioski up to left wing.

So for the 4 goals we have conceded Alioski wasn't on the pitch for 2 of them and the other 2 he was playing as a winger - we have yet to concede in a match this season when Alioski has been playing left back. However one notable fact is that all 4 goals conceded have come when Douglas has been playing left back. (I can't believe I am having to do Cjay's work here)

For me given our options I would start with Alioski and Dallas with the option of Dallas switching to left back, if needed, once Ayling is fit. For whatever reason Douglas seems to have succumbed to our left back curse and seems a shadow of the player he was before he came to us.
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Re: MB Issues

Post by 1964white » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:29 pm

weasel wrote:
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We haven't conceded a goal in the league until substitutions have been made, usually involving Alioski either moving positions (to left wing) or not having Harrison in front of him. Against Bristol Alioski came on in the 79th minute to replace Douglas just after Bristol had scored. Against Forest Alioski came on as a sub to play left wing, replacing Harrison and 6 minutes later we conceded. Against Swansea Alioski was subbed (for Douglas) after 83 minutes and 7 minutes later we conceded. Against Derby Douglas came on after 73 minutes pushing Alioski up to left wing.

So for the 4 goals we have conceded Alioski wasn't on the pitch for 2 of them and the other 2 he was playing as a winger - we have yet to concede in a match this season when Alioski has been playing left back. However one notable fact is that all 4 goals conceded have come when Douglas has been playing left back. (I can't believe I am having to do Cjay's work here)

For me given our options I would start with Alioski and Dallas with the option of Dallas switching to left back, if needed, once Ayling is fit. For whatever reason Douglas seems to have succumbed to our left back curse and seems a shadow of the player he was before he came to us.
Alioski over Douglas everytime for me.

Not the best LB but his energy is important in Bielsa's set-up

Ali didn't defend well for that Bristol goal, it was only when Davis came on & steadied us for the last few minutes of the game that we looked more secure. Young Leif put in tackles Ali & Douglas had struggled to do in the previous 85 minutes

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Re: MB Issues

Post by faaip » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:34 pm

gessa wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:01 am
Like you, I think LB is our weakest position, not sure if Ayling is ready just yet but if so, that is the only change I'd make, only downside is even though Dallas' natural position is on the left, as a full back he has been better at rb than ever he was at lb but surely he'd be better than the 2 we're using now.
He was top class at LB in the playoffs tbf, he's right footed isn't he?
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Re: MB Issues

Post by faaip » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:40 pm

We're being really harsh on Douglas here, there's a quality footballer there. How about a timeline

Signs pre 18/19 season - plays really well and draws plenty of praise
Gets injured before Christmas and it's a lengthy period out IIRC
Comes back looks rusty as one would expect
Get's injured again
When fit makes sporadic appearances to take us to the end of the season
Starts the season a bit rusty and gets injured again
Is getting judged on sub appearances now and little continuity

He's getting the same treatment from the boo boys as Forshaw and Dallas did last season..and Ayling after he came back from injury..

Right now Douglas is easily the best LB at the club, Davis may become a very good player but he's 2/3 years away atm
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Re: MB Issues

Post by gessa » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:44 pm

Tbf , I think his form dropped after the first 8 games or so, certainly before the injury. The big disappointment for me, as I was told by plenty of Wolves fans, he's not a great defender, has been his crosses and free kicks, which were highly praised by same fans.

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