Indeed it wasn't mate
Wow, just wow! That is a disgraceful attitude for someone who as a moderator is supposed to act fairly to everyone and I am completely shocked Leon as I expected much more from you.1964white wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:38 pm I'm really pass caring Weasel
He cooked his goose for me when I intended having a early night on Friday as I had to be up at 5pm in readiness for my journey to Reading. I didn't get to bed until midnight as I was the only mod on here monitoring his posts until Adam came along, hardly got any sleep. That was the final straw for me.
To be honest I can do without all this sh*t so much so I was seriously considering jacking it all in as I'm getting far too old for confrontation especially with an obnoxious aggressive jerk but I refuse to allow Clive dismantle the harmony on this forum. I have some good friends on here & I certainly wouldn't want to let them down or give the impression I'm running scared
I agree, having read his posts I can't see anything worthy of a ban.weasel wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:12 pm Like you I have read all of Clive's posts and if I had seen anything that I considered to be out of order I would have pulled him up on it regardless of whether I shared his view or not. Yes he is confrontational but from what I have seen he has only really resorted to insults when he was insulted first (i.e. when Bally called his thread stupid he responded by basically quoting Bally back and as such calling Bally stupid).
weasel wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:12 pm Wow, just wow! That is a disgraceful attitude for someone who as a moderator is supposed to act fairly to everyone and I am completely shocked Leon as I expected much more from you.
Like you I have read all of Clive's posts and if I had seen anything that I considered to be out of order I would have pulled him up on it regardless of whether I shared his view or not. Yes he is confrontational but from what I have seen he has only really resorted to insults when he was insulted first (i.e. when Bally called his thread stupid he responded by basically quoting Bally back and as such calling Bally stupid).
It seems like because he hasn't shared the majority view people somehow have the right to say what they want, backed up by the rest of their friends on here. Well that is completely wrong and I don't like it as it is bullying and your recent posts towards him, Leon, have been nothing short of disgusting and as a moderator you are meant to set an example - yes as moderators we will occasionally make mistakes, we are only human, but we have to try to act fairly to everyone and be above petty name calling or worse.
If you cannot moderate fairly to everyone you should step down. This seems personal to me and vindictive.
I agree with what you say but I feel that we have somehow reached a point whereby Clive is getting attacked for simply having a joke about not receiving his moderator application form and it seems acceptable forum behaviour to behave in that way because it is Clive. If for example Cjay had made a post about not receiving an invite then he wouldn't have been subjected to a nasty post. Yes obviously that would be because Cjay hadn't riled people previously but we shouldn't simply keep beating someone back when they don't deserve it or we are just becoming the bully. It wasn't as if Clive said 'Oi d*ckhead I haven't received my invite you pr*ck!"Shields53 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:35 pm I agree, having read his posts I can't see anything worthy of a ban.
There is no doubt that he makes some posters feel uncomfortable though, not through having a different opinion but through his style of expressing it. Many will be ok with his style, some are not. But if one individual poster causes others to leave and two moderators to argue with each other in public then there is an issue isnt there?
I did insult him, calling him an arrogant tw@t and a prick, but only in response to him calling me stupid, normally I wouldn't react like that but I did, I won't go in to why I did. He then tried to say he phrased it wrongly, reading it back a few more times there was no way he had done that, I'd agree he misinterpreted my post but even if he had, still no way should he have replied as he did. He also stated anyone who didn't agree with who his choice of manager, would too be stupid to do so. I let it go Again since, he has called me stupid, Sorry you don't find that offensive but I do. You have to admit he has upset the harmony on here , it's not the place for his style of posting imo. Waccoe is much more his style. What makes it evident is the reaction of certain posters who he seems to have bought the worst out of.
I would have thought your last reply to him was the final nail. And still you defend his actions, blaming others.weasel wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:07 pm I hope he doesn't step down as he is a huge part of this forum. I just feel we all need to take a bit of a step back, calm down and breathe as a lot of people have acted in ways that they wouldn't normally ad to blame it all on one person is just making feeble excuses for their own behaviour.
Group hug time c'mon everybody
Why? I simply said if he couldn't moderate fairly that he should step down. I am 100% confident that he can moderate fairly just felt that he had got caught up in things a bit too much and had acted totally out of character. Leon is a great moderator 99.9% of the time hence my suggestion that all of us just take a step back for a moment to calm things down.
No weasel you didn't You said he had a disgraceful attitude, you were shocked and Leon had been nothing short of disgusting. Now that's not the response I would have expected from a fellow mod. This should have been discussed in private in the mod forum. You have nailed your colours firmly to Clive's flag and publicly berated another mod. A mod I should say who does more for this forum than anyone, who devotes a lot of his time and is obviously getting to the end of his tether with the lack of help from other mods, you included. Just my opinion of course and I truly hope Leon doesn't step down.weasel wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:02 pm Why? I simply said if he couldn't moderate fairly that he should step down. I am 100% confident that he can moderate fairly just felt that he had got caught up in things a bit too much and had acted totally out of character. Leon is a great moderator 99.9% of the time hence my suggestion that all of us just take a step back for a moment to calm things down.
Yes I said that in this instance (his 2 posts on this thread) that he had a disgraceful attitude and if you read what he said I stand by that as it was a disgraceful attitude towards a poster, in this case Clive. That was why I was shocked as I found it disgusting and completely out of character for Leon based on what I have seen from him in the years I have been on the forum.becchio bear wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:10 pm No weasel you didn't You said he had a disgraceful attitude, you were shocked and Leon had been nothing short of disgusting. Now that's not the response I would have expected from a fellow mod. This should have been discussed in private in the mod forum. You have nailed your colours firmly to Clive's flag and publicly berated another mod. A mod I should say who does more for this forum than anyone, who devotes a lot of his time and is obviously getting to the end of his tether with the lack of help from other mods, you included. Just my opinion of course and I truly hope Leon doesn't step down.
