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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by Ellandback1 » Wed May 30, 2018 4:10 pm

Fred, I'm cautious of Robinson because of his past and his extreme views about religion.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 4:11 pm

Ellandback1 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:03 pm
It does show that Robinson had a top notch brief on Monday
Even if you are right (which I doubt, as I don`t believe single questionable sources), it doesn`t imply that the procedures as a whole was as it should have been, it was certainly way off the normal proceedings if someone is accused of breatching the piece.
What about the gag order?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGkVL6jvbwU (Not saying this guy knows the truth, just an opposing source.)
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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 4:25 pm

Ellandback1 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:10 pm
Fred, I'm cautious of Robinson because of his past and his extreme views about religion.
Being cautious is actually what I would hope anyone would be in regard to many things. (Also in regard to T. Robinson. Would I
trust him in regard to his motivs being beyond critisism? Certainly not. But I don`t claim to know what they are either.)
If you read what I have already written then the you will see that I have answered in detail
to the points you put forward.

Past: I would be sceptical towards anyones motives! That leaves: judge a person on what he says and does and not on assumed motives. You won`t see any claims of him agains all muslims, since leaving the EDL. What he asks for today is that the moderate muslims would have the power to dictate which interpretation should be/get dominant.
No modern day Ethics would refer to motivs (in laws it`s only required that someone knows what he was doing and that it was wrong), but looks at the consequences of actions.
Have I ever denied his questionable past? Does Robinson? So why refer to it? Does he still stand for what he stood in the past?
His religious views have changed from being against all muslims to being aimed at the Koran/Haddith being a potential Fascist ideolgy (as you haven`t read it though, that won`t be a point of relevance to you.)

I`m totally with Robinson in regard to his critizism on the Koran/Haddith (and to a maybe lesser extent I would ad the catholic church, that is the Bible.)
There is no single Interpretation of the Koran by the way...there are only interpretations. That enables to pick those writings wich serve ones own Agenda.
Sorry, if you try to brake down the problems by simplification, then you hardly grasp where the potential problems lie.
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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by Cjay » Wed May 30, 2018 4:27 pm

Ellandback1 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:33 pm
I don't think Tommy is too bright!

It's only a minority, but perhaps people feel sorry for him?
Dont care enough to follow the case.

Only given it a quick Google.

He got a suspended sentence for doing the exact same thing he was sent to prison for.

Whys that not right? Very odd.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 4:30 pm

Cjay wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:27 pm
Dont care enough to follow the case.

Only given it a quick Google.

He got a suspended sentence for doing the exact same thing he was sent to prison for.

Whys that not right? Very odd.
Please, mate, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you read a single answer I wrote in regard to the identical statement you already put forward?
And if you don`t care, then accept that that implies not to be informed and not interested to be informed.
Wishing to be informed implies real care (for the truth), as you don`t WHY utter any opinion at all, and why ask to be informed?
(The answers were given allready adding to the absurdity.)
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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by Cjay » Wed May 30, 2018 4:31 pm

fred wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:47 pm
Can you read?
Yes, thanks for asking.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by Cjay » Wed May 30, 2018 4:33 pm

fred wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:30 pm
Please, mate, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol it means something to you fair enough.

Means naff all to me if he's in prison or not hence why im saying very little.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 4:36 pm

Cjay wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:33 pm
Lol it means something to you fair enough.

Means naff all to me if he's in prison or not hence why im saying very little.
Say nothing if you want to be consistent with yourself. (Not being interested...fair enough in my eyes by the way.)
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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 4:37 pm

Cjay wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:31 pm
Yes, thanks for asking.
Just started to have some doubts as I allready had answered to a more or less identical question from your side.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by Cjay » Wed May 30, 2018 4:38 pm

fred wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:36 pm
Say nothing if you want to be consistent with yourself. (Not being interested.)
Fair enough.

Football is why im here.

This bloke isnt.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 4:41 pm

Cjay wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:38 pm
Fair enough.

Football is why im here.

This bloke isnt.
He`s a fanatic Leeds fan (or at least was), probably engaged with football hooliganism now and then.

MOT... :angel:

And agree that this is a football forum, therefore I won`t mention any political themes here in future. And I don`t expect people to
being engaged or interested in this `story`(well, I guess I did, my fault). But not trying to be fair in how one judges a person (by individual opinions or in regard to laws) is a different matter though.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by tomat26 » Wed May 30, 2018 5:11 pm

fred wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:41 pm
He`s a fanatic Leeds fan (or at least was), probably engaged with football hooliganism now and then.

MOT... :angel:

And agree that this is a football forum, therefore I won`t mention any political themes here in future. And I don`t expect people to
being engaged or interested in this `story`(well, I guess I did, my fault). But not trying to be fair in how one judges a person (by individual opinions or in regard to laws) is a different matter though.
Fred....you are so wrong it beggars belief...Robinson has found his spiritual home.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by radebe88 » Wed May 30, 2018 9:09 pm

fred wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:30 pm
Please, mate, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you read a single answer I wrote in regard to the identical statement you already put forward?
And if you don`t care, then accept that that implies not to be informed and not interested to be informed.
Wishing to be informed implies real care (for the truth), as you don`t WHY utter any opinion at all, and why ask to be informed?
(The answers were given allready adding to the absurdity.)
Fred I don’t mind saying it how it is...

There is a problem in certain communities where some groups of men are grooming young kids and they are often Muslims.

Also Tommy Robinson is a horrendous, racist, ignorant shitbag and I hope the Muslims in prison have a great time with him for spreading his vile hate.

Every other person I know that defends him is also a racist.

If you defend him you are either ignorant or mental.

Everything summed up nicely there. Close the Fred, I mean thread.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by tomat26 » Wed May 30, 2018 9:39 pm

radebe88 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 9:09 pm
Fred I don’t mind saying it how it is...

There is a problem in certain communities where some groups of men are grooming young kids and they are often Muslims.

Also Tommy Robinson is a horrendous, racist, ignorant shitbag and I hope the Muslims in prison have a great time with him for spreading his vile hate.

Every other person I know that defends him is also a racist.

If you defend him you are either ignorant or mental.

Everything summed up nicely there. Close the Fred, I mean thread.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 9:57 pm

tomat26 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 5:11 pm
Fred....you are so wrong it beggars belief...Robinson has found his spiritual home.
If you could back that up with facts or explain why you believe so, your opinion would be worth more than a mere noise in my head.

Come on, here`s the thread where you can speak out.`
My responses in this thread have I believe not once been directed on someone having a different view to mine, unless
it wasn`t backed up by facts, or based on selective or irrelevant facts or mere assumptions.

May I ask if you have ever read the Koran? If you don`t happen to be a muslim yourself I`m 99% convinced you haven`t.
In that case my question would be: what are you talking about?

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 10:09 pm

radebe88 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 9:09 pm
Fred I don’t mind saying it how it is...

There is a problem in certain communities where some groups of men are grooming young kids and they are often Muslims.

Also Tommy Robinson is a horrendous, racist, ignorant shitbag and I hope the Muslims in prison have a great time with him for spreading his vile hate.

Every other person I know that defends him is also a racist.

If you defend him you are either ignorant or mental.

Everything summed up nicely there. Close the Fred, I mean thread.

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You define what`s wrong with England in regard to free speach.

Let`s stay with the facts: 90% of all convicted grooming gang members are male muslim. Compare that fact to your opening sentence.
Trying to be political correct or just ignore the facts? And: people like T. Robinson are one reason why the police started to act in regard to these gang rapes.
The authorities don`t do very much against online grooming at all. Why the f**k would private people feel the need to stamp down on that problem (and therreby acting in my eyes outside the law in many cases?) Hundreds of these so calles `nonce hunters`, and the suspects are mostly not muslims.

So, I`m not aloud to name someone a numpty on this forum but you call me a racist?
Hm, since when are muslims a race? Which race are you thinking of?

So, come on, back that up your accusations with anything I`ve written here, or prove to be
a coward and liar hiding behind the anonymity of the net.

Then you should have noticed that I defend Robinson in regard to not everything he said or says, did or does.

Whatever...I think I will ceep this thread going, as it hasn`t really started yet...I mean not one reasoned response
backed up by not selective facts. Prove that free speach is a real problem on this forum too.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by radebe88 » Wed May 30, 2018 10:27 pm

fred wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 10:09 pm
Let`s stay with the facts: 90% of all convicted grooming gang members are male muslim.

So, I`m not aloud to name someone a numpty but you call me a racist?
Hm, since when are muslims a race? :lol:

So, come on, back that up your accusations with anything I`ve written here.
Ok, without any evidence I’ll have to believe you that 90% if convicted grooming gang members are male muslim. Maybe that’s correct though, it certainly appears that way even in the mainstream media that you seem to not trust.

Also 100% of people that I know that support Tommy Robinson are racists. So I’ll stick with the evidence produced with my own eyes and ears and conclude that the trend continues with you.

Your desperate need to defend him is so pathetic and misguided. I hope you one day understand the world better and be at peace with yourself for your lack of rational thought.

I love you Fred but the fight isn’t against Muslims. It’s about rational debate and understanding each and every person the best we can and for as long as Robinson and Hopkins and the like get the chance to spew their hatred and garbage that doesn’t look like it will ever happen.

It’s not just his message that is damaging it’s his behaviour

His behaviour not just in this case but over all since in the public eye possibly endangered the victims further, effected the outcomes negatively or caused a greater divide between cultures in the community.

As-Salamu Alaykum My brother Fred

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by radebe88 » Wed May 30, 2018 10:34 pm

fred wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 10:09 pm
You define what`s wrong with England in regard to free speach.

Let`s stay with the facts: 90% of all convicted grooming gang members are male muslim. Compare that fact to your opening sentence.
Trying to be political correct or just ignore the facts? And: people like T. Robinson are one reason why the police started to act in regard to these gang rapes.
The authorities don`t do very much against online grooming at all. Why the f**k would private people feel the need to stamp down on that problem (and therreby acting in my eyes outside the law in many cases?) Hundreds of these so calles `nonce hunters`, and the suspects are mostly not muslims.

So, I`m not aloud to name someone a numpty on this forum but you call me a racist?
Hm, since when are muslims a race? Which race are you thinking of?

So, come on, back that up your accusations with anything I`ve written here, or prove to be
a coward and liar hiding behind the anonymity of the net.

Then you should have noticed that I defend Robinson in regard to not everything he said or says, did or does.

Whatever...I think I will ceep this thread going, as it hasn`t really started yet...I mean not one reasoned response
backed up by not selective facts. Prove that free speach is a real problem on this forum too.
You have just typed so much drivel and contradicted yourself so many times that I now know this conversation is a pointless task.

Never going to agree on this one.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by becchio bear » Wed May 30, 2018 10:41 pm

Ok guys can we stop with the insults please. We all have our opinions but no need for personal slights. :bear:

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by Cjay » Wed May 30, 2018 10:50 pm

fred wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:41 pm
He`s a fanatic Leeds fan (or at least was), probably engaged with football hooliganism now and then.

MOT... :angel:

And agree that this is a football forum, therefore I won`t mention any political themes here in future. And I don`t expect people to
being engaged or interested in this `story`(well, I guess I did, my fault). But not trying to be fair in how one judges a person (by individual opinions or in regard to laws) is a different matter though.
Wont comment again because as we agree on if it is of no interest then say nothing. :)

But.

You clearly are very passionate about this, fair doos.

Could it be that a man clearly not afraid of prison like Tommy Robinson appears to be sacrificed his freedom knowingly (by that i mean unless he is totally thick he must have known there was a decent chance he could end up arrested doing what he did. Therefore as he was already on a suspended sentence if arrested a charge and prison sentence was likely).

He did that in order to get this sort of reaction?

People up in arms, protests and such.

Get him and whatever his cause is back in the news?

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