Leeds Utd v West Ham Utd Match Thread

23 Sep 2021 08:30 am, by Ellandback1


Saturday 25th September 15:00 | Elland Road


Less than 72 hours after beating Manchester United in the League Cup, David Moyes' West Ham travel to Elland Road as Leeds search for their first three points of the season. Leeds injury crises worsened after it was revealed on the club's website that Patrick Bamford did not participate in Tuesday's win over Fulham due to an ankle injury he sustained at St James Park last weekend. He is joined by Luke Ayling, Diego Llorente and Robin Koch whilst fellow centre back Pascal Struijk serves his final suspension. Jack Harrison is also recovering from Covid and makes the bench.

Skipper Liam Cooper will return to his defensive duties after being rested midweek. Kelvin Phillips took on the responsibility at Craven Cottage, but the England ace will return to midfield for Saturday's clash. Cooper will be joined in defence by Charlie Cresswell who stepped up against Fulham with an impressive performance. With Bamford out, Rodrigo will get a chance up front and will look to impress in his favoured position. Jamie Shackleton will start at right back where he ended the Fulham clash with Stuart Dallas moving to midfield alongside Mateusz Klich.




West Ham full-back Ryan Fredericks misses out with a groin problem. Fredericks suffered the injury early on during the midweek cup win at Manchester United and needs a scan to assess the extent of the damage. Michail Antonio returns in attack after being rested on Wednesday along with Lukasz Fabianski, Kurt Zouma, Declan Rice, Thomas Soucek and Said Benrahma. Antonio is the Premier League's top scorer with 4 goals in 4 games so far. He will certainly be a handfull for the young Charlie Cresswell.

Last season West Ham took the points on both occasions with a 2-1 victory at Elland Road in December and a 2-0 victory in the return fixture at the London Stadium in March. Leeds are without a win in the league so far this season, and a victory today against a team who did the double over them last season would be a real confidence boost. This will be the 101st time the sides have faced each other in the League. Leeds have come out on top 47 times, West Ham have been victors 26 times and the points have been shared 27 times.


Leeds Starting XI
Meslier, Shackleton, Cresswell, Cooper, Firpo, Phillips, Raphinha, Klich, Dallas, James, Rodrigo

Suss: Roberts, Klaesson, Harrison, Gelhardt, Hjelde, Drameh, Summerville, Greenwood, McCarron

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BGwhite wrote on 27 Sep 2021 11:28 am

rondownunder wrote: This is certainly relevant for us, although Brighton have been up for 4 years now. I think Klich, Ayling and Cooper are all a yard slower this year and should be coming off the bench at best when the squad is fully fit. Roberts is just not a PL player. Harrison needs to find the form of last season, which I expect him to find again soon.
Can't be right...if Cooper is a yd slower he's obviously only got to the changing room door at kick off time .

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1964white wrote on 27 Sep 2021 10:27 am

White Riot wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:46 am Due to a number of factors we've stagnated, and teams that do that at this level invariably get relegated.
Stagnation & complacency in any sport or business is a recipe for disaster.

1964white wrote on 27 Sep 2021 10:24 am

Leeds1000 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:24 am I said it before be careful what you wish for. Marcelo is trying youth at the minute, maybe that's down to injuries but Creswell now belongs in the group, Jimmy looks bright and should be above Roberts in the pecking order on the wing and Gelhardt is behind Rodrigo and Bamford.

I agree the recruitment was future rather than present based. Every year we leave it to the last minute dot.com giving the incoming players no time to get upto Bielsa speed. In saying all that after the way we finished last season i don't loose sight of our meteoric rise under Marcelo, yes it looks like we have it the wall at the minute, but he's been unlucky with injuries and i am not sure there is anyone else out there who gets more out of these old league 1 players.

After the fantastic weird season last year...Its time for a reality check.
Especially as Kinnear suggested, 'we'll do our business early'. As you say 1000, it's a Leeds United trait every season.

1964white wrote on 27 Sep 2021 10:19 am

VinnysTattoo wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:03 am This forum is a refreshing change to some others of the “sack him now” ilk.

I like the supported views of most on here but from all of them it is clear something has to change.

We cannot change the poor recruitment in the Summer so we have what we have. This all at the manager’s feet now and I feel he has reached a crossroads in his time at ER.

Carry on down the same road and I fear his time here will be short. This road is his locked in reliance of mainly Championship players who cannot give any more.

The next simplest road to take is to trust youth I feel. Not a wholesale change but certainly this involves Gelhardt Creswell and hopefully Greenwood and Summerville.

The only other road to take is a change in tactics which I think he will never do.

The next six games are, I’m afraid, season defining for MB.

Personally I would like him to take the second road, but my horrible gut feeling is he will stick with what he knows. I really hope he gets through this period whatever he does because the boos will start I feel with his next Roberts substitution and then we will have a snowball effect.
Personally I have never booed a Leeds team or player but it only takes a few hundred to sound like it’s everyone and then the writing is definitely on the wall.
Good post Tattoo.

Thankfully, no one on here has stated Marcelo should be sacked, even though he is frustrating fans with his cat-like habits.

White Riot wrote on 27 Sep 2021 09:46 am

Cjay wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:21 pm Imo the simple facts is the club got complacent.

They recruited minimally and poorly with off the ball skills at the front of their mind and neglected the tactical and technical needs of the team.

Those stats Leon posted are symptomatic of a fading limited team who perhaps are running out of steam, tired minds and tired bodies get turned over and concede a lot more than fresh ones.

It also highlights the neglect of our midfield, we have 2 30 year olds in it and one of them isnt a proper midfielder really lets be honest, he has done a great job as a utility man but you dont get creativity from Dallas you get energy and when that is gone he offers very little.

Imo maybe what we are seeing is evidence that MB has never been a club manager for a long time ? This is ny a distance his longest spell at one club.

He has never had to rejuvenate a squad, he has never had to slowly evolve a squad.

He has his core group and he will use them for aslong as he can, after all why wouldn't he? They have served him well for years?

Well performances levels can drop over time, energy levels drop over time, many of our squad are pushing 30 with almost no top flight experience, they are where they are because they have played out of their skin for years in a style that suits them because it doesnt necessarily require them to be technically better than their opponents just much fitter.

It effectively requires them to be at 100% of their ability and fitness 100% of the time, 100% sharp and on it.

And they have been for MB hence why he trusts them.

But that was never going to last indefinitely and that perhaps is where MB's analytical and logical mind has a blind spot?

Where his lack of experience in this situation shows?
Excellent post CJ :clap:

When you keep squeezing an orange it becomes dry, and the goodness and vitality is completely gone.

That's where Leeds as a first team are at now.

I think Radz, Orta, Kinnear and MB, especially, had it in their heads that the guys who got us here could continue performing at this level for many years and they had lots of time to rejuvenate the squad. But it seems like that belief and loyalty has been misplaced, in that they've not seen the reality of the limitations of these players.

Other then KP, we're now seeing that energy, skill and confidence needs to be injected into this team/squad. That has happened in the shape of Meslier, Raphinha, Struijk, Cresswell, and Shackleton. Due to the injuries and unavailability, we're still unsure whether Koch, Llorente and Rodrigo can be considered as successful upgrades. James and Firpo might be improvements but it's too early to tell.

Due to a number of factors we've stagnated, and teams that do that at this level invariably get relegated.

All we can hope is that our players get fit again, find form and confidence and MB has the insight to see that he needs to start placing faith in our youngsters, rather than waiting for the next injury/unavailability crisis to force his hand.

We're in a pickle and it needs fixed very quickly, or we're heading for a long and painful relegation battle.

The next 4 EPL fixtures will give us a true reflection of exactly where we're at, but even if we get maximum points that will not mask the fact that this squad needs to be overhauled, an opportunity that was spurned in the summer.