Wober out until April

11 Feb 2025 08:58 am, by Ellandback1

Good Morning. It's Tuesday 11th February, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...

Wober out until April

Speaking ahead of tonight's crunch tie at Vicarage Road, Daniel Farke has revealed that Max Wober will be out of action until April, and will undergo keyhole surgery this week, to stitch his torn meniscus back together. The versatile defender who can play anywhere across the back line has been battling a persistent knee issue throughout the season. Despite undergoing meniscus surgery last October, the problem has resurfaced, necessitating further surgery. This setback means Wober will be unavailable until after the International Break, leaving Daniel Farke with fewer options at the back. On a brighter note, Farke confirmed the return of Joe Rodon and Daniel James for tonight's visit to Watford, both having recovered from minor knocks.

Bad news sadly with Max Wober, this ongoing knee problem. He will need another surgery, we'll do this as quick as possible and he'll be out until the next international break. During this week he'll have the surgery and he's out for about six weeks, so the end of March.

Max Wober has already missed a large proportion of this season due to injury

Popey launches scathing attack on Guilavogui

On his recent "Don't Go To Bed Just Yet" podcast, BBC pundit Adam Pope unleashed a scathing attack on veteran Joshua Guilavogui's performances this season. The 34 year old, an emergency October signing has featured seventeen times this season, amassing 211 minutes of game time from all competitions. Popey didn't mix words, delivering a harsh judgment that cut deep. "He was free," Pope stated, "You're putting in a freebie like that, you get what you've paid for, essentially, which is you've paid nothing so you get nothing."

Despite being a freebee, Guilavogui hasn't lived up to expectation. He started the third round match against Harrogate, playing as a centre-back, yet his obvious lack of pace made him a liability! Fortunately, Leeds should have more than enough cover in midfield with Tanaka, Rothwell, Gruev and Ampadu to see the season through!

Joshua Guilavogui a great influence in the dressing room, perhaps not on the pitch

Breakfast Debate

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weasel wrote on 11 Feb 2025 05:33 pm

mentalcase wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:25 pm Very interesting
So all you bielsa-babes have to finally admit he over trained them which led to lower performances.

That's an interesting subject. I would say there is some truth in it as if your muscles are at their maximum then they would probably be more likely to get a pull than say a fat man waddling for the bus. But then you take someone like the comedian Eddie Izzard who was able to run marathones every day for a ridiculous amount of days (and I think the only prolems were blisters etc rather than muscle related issues).

I think you can train your body to say be higher than its previous maximum, someone like Stuart Dallas a prime example who was seemingly getting stronger and stronger and his injury was just a horror injury rather than anything training related.

Probably good to err on the side of caution though if the options are there - something that Bielsa didn't really have the luxury of as he turned to his bench and saw Tyler Roberts warming up.

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mentalcase wrote on 11 Feb 2025 05:25 pm

weasel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:37 pm Scientifically proven that players enter what is called the red zone around the 70 minute mark and it is where they are more susceptible to muscle injuries. If you look at Farke and the asistants they have computers monitoring players and all the players have things strapped to them to give information about heart rate etc - which feeds in to muscle tiredness too.

Midfielders and wing backs I would think do the most running.

Additionally you will likely pick up some knocks during the game. Little minor ones that you play on through, the adrenaline masking the pain. Play on for the full 90+ and you may make that innocuos injury worse to the point where you might then miss the next match, or worse, whereas coming off a few minutes early might have stopped you making it worse so that with a day or two of resting it up you are good to go again.

Very interesting
So all you bielsa-babes have to finally admit he over trained them which led to lower performances.

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weasel wrote on 11 Feb 2025 03:37 pm

mentalcase wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:06 pm I don't get that bit weasel, all players are trained to do the full 90 + surely, so why would they get a muscle injury from the 86 minute on !!
The last bit, yes, but they could just as easily get injured in the first 4 minutes as the last 4.
Bringing players on to slow the game down is all very well, even a few minutes to keep everyone happy if we are winning, surely it has to be tactical rather than a player getting upset ?

Scientifically proven that players enter what is called the red zone around the 70 minute mark and it is where they are more susceptible to muscle injuries. If you look at Farke and the asistants they have computers monitoring players and all the players have things strapped to them to give information about heart rate etc - which feeds in to muscle tiredness too.

Midfielders and wing backs I would think do the most running.

Additionally you will likely pick up some knocks during the game. Little minor ones that you play on through, the adrenaline masking the pain. Play on for the full 90+ and you may make that innocuos injury worse to the point where you might then miss the next match, or worse, whereas coming off a few minutes early might have stopped you making it worse so that with a day or two of resting it up you are good to go again.

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mentalcase wrote on 11 Feb 2025 02:06 pm

weasel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:21 am Well said and I do think he would look better after a few games than he has done in his 2 appearances. Some of his play was good on Saturday and he looked better in midfield. Caught in possession and the bad tackle were for me just down to lack of match practise - especially given that when he has had his 5 minute run outs they have been at points where we were generally under no pressure and just knocking the ball around.

As it is he is our 5th choice midfielder and presumably something similar as a centreback (with possibly Gruev or Byram being ahead of him as 4th choice).

Those few minute appearances though have probably actually been important to give the likes of Rothwell or Tanaka a breather at the end of games and reduced the risk of them getting muscle injuries. It may hvae stopped either of them getting injured at a point where we needed them both to stay fit and uninjured.

I don't get that bit weasel, all players are trained to do the full 90 + surely, so why would they get a muscle injury from the 86 minute on !!
The last bit, yes, but they could just as easily get injured in the first 4 minutes as the last 4.
Bringing players on to slow the game down is all very well, even a few minutes to keep everyone happy if we are winning, surely it has to be tactical rather than a player getting upset ?

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weasel wrote on 11 Feb 2025 11:21 am

Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 10:48 am Signing a 34 year old, on a freebie, what did Popey expect Lionel Messi.

He does a job in his 5 minute cameos, that’s fine by me.

Well said and I do think he would look better after a few games than he has done in his 2 appearances. Some of his play was good on Saturday and he looked better in midfield. Caught in possession and the bad tackle were for me just down to lack of match practise - especially given that when he has had his 5 minute run outs they have been at points where we were generally under no pressure and just knocking the ball around.

As it is he is our 5th choice midfielder and presumably something similar as a centreback (with possibly Gruev or Byram being ahead of him as 4th choice).

Those few minute appearances though have probably actually been important to give the likes of Rothwell or Tanaka a breather at the end of games and reduced the risk of them getting muscle injuries. It may hvae stopped either of them getting injured at a point where we needed them both to stay fit and uninjured.

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