Is McCormack sale any different?

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Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by jindy » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:29 am

Great article and a nice read.

As an ex pat in the states a simple abbreviation comes to mind. SNAFU. (Situation Normal All Fucked Up)

Yes the the deal is different to the other sales of the "crown jewels" we have had to witness recently, but nobody can be sure why its different? We can speculate, and use our heads and come up with scenarios but how can we be sure?

To know if its different we should first look at why its the same. (sorry i have been reading Edgar Allan Poe) Top Player, suspect owners, business before team, questionable ambition.

We won't know until he spends the money!

So the real answer is "how will the money be reinvested?" That, i am confident of! MC has basically sold one club and bought another. He has also transferred some players that he had connections with at the previous club, so the Ross Mc sale was unnecessary financially/not a priority. Money not an issue!

more importantly, i think Ross wanted out after MCDM left. Previous sales of the "crown jewels" i think the players were happy to stay. With Ross Mc he saw all the behind the scenes of the clubs' ownership transfer, and the "takeover." And lets face it, It was not nicely done, and very un italian.

Then the sale figure. 11Million. It seems a lot of money, so business wise it is justified, right? Yes, but how about Fulham. maybe they consider themselves just bought a determined proven goalscorer. To those that say he will be "found out" that another discussion but for now, the fulham coach, and he's ex fergerson material and is no fool, he has not only secured a proven goal scorer but has taken one from a guaranteed rival. Theres only three spots available and we jet gave away our ace.

So SNAFU comes to mind. Its the same. business before team. Because surely theres NOT going to be a better forward than Ross McCormack in the championship this season. I do agree the 11 million price tag could hamper him but under René Meulensteen i am sure he will score enough goals.

It seems the sale was personal and really neither player or manger can be blamed, a clash of ego's. The timing was right for the sale, but again where will the money go? Team, Debts, thorp park, hospitality, or a new unknown entity, the italian era.

SNAFU

The only thing that would be better now is if he put the money from ross sale into thorp arch, or loan messi for a month, otherwise its not different.

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by Genghers » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:40 pm

John in Louisiana wrote:I agree that the merit of the deal will not be known for a while, at least until we see how Cellino will spend the money (assuming he spends the money). Either new players or re-acquisition of Elland Road would be fine by me. But if Cellino wanted to send the message that no one player is bigger than the team, this was a great way to do it. If I were on the roster right now, this move would have ignited a very large fire under me.
He's said that the players we are bringing in, we would have been anyway, but now we need another striker too. So that suggests to me that at least some of the Ross sale will fund a replacement...

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by John in Louisiana » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:05 pm

I had an opportunity to sell my house a few years back before the housing market collapsed here in the US. I waited, and it cost me cost me about $175,000 (about £100,000). I learned a hard lesson: You sell at the top of the market.

I can't see that the market for Ross is ever going to be higher than £11.

I agree that the merit of the deal will not be known for a while, at least until we see how Cellino will spend the money (assuming he spends the money). Either new players or re-acquisition of Elland Road would be fine by me. But if Cellino wanted to send the message that no one player is bigger than the team, this was a great way to do it. If I were on the roster right now, this move would have ignited a very large fire under me.

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by AzWhite » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:19 pm

"Cellino talks about respect a lot, as has Hockaday, but so far neither of them has earned my respect."

Cellino has my respect....So far. He is not afraid to spend when necessary (he put personal cash into the team even before he was guaranteed a stake in the club), and despite the dire financial situation he inherited there was none of the panic selling we've seen in past years (he played the McCormack deal like a pro poker player, reaping 11m for a want-away player that looked overpriced to many at 5m). If we had financial stewardship like this in the O'Leary days, we'd never have left the Premiership.

Of course, we haven't kicked a ball in anger yet. However, if Cellino's endeavours are half as successful on the field as they are off it it'll be a lot more fun than the past few seasons. Maybe Mr. Hockaday will even garner some respect.

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by martinmcintyre » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:28 am

So the Cellino backlash starts here. About time!

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by Grant 2406 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:15 am

You cant keep a player who dosnt want to be with you anymore !! 11 million is an astonishing amount for a decent championship player ( but very doubtful he would cut it in the prem ) so selling him now makes good astute business sense.
This season he would be marked a lot closer & I personally couldnt see him having the same effect as last season. The new price tag is going to be a millstone around his neck & I cant see Fulham getting 25+ goals from him !!
As for the quality of the new signings - at least they are unknown in the division & might surprise a few people, at this point we will have to trust our Italian top brass & see if they really can supply us with some hidden quality.
My biggest fear is our coach, buts lets remember - hes not the one buying players - hes just there to get the best out of what hes given & Brian Mc certainly wasnt a genius in that department !! Lets for the moment try & keep positive till things unfold on the pitch !! The Bates years are behind us & I at least feel that our new owner has a big enough ego to want to be revelling in some future success !!! MOT.

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by YorkshireSquare » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:58 am

JRILEY1992 wrote:Dont judge the signings until you have seen them play together in the leeds shirt either, a lot of people will be quick to judge them because they arent a big name, but when we signed them neither were snodgrass, becchio, mccormack, gradel...we made them into the player they became, so give them a chance before you start calling for another exodus
Far from calling for another exodus, where have I said that?

I merely said that 3 signings in they are hardly inspiring. That said with more to come this week Cellino can show us his ambition. I am hopefully this money will be reinvested, I am hopeful we will have a decent squad for the coming season if Cellino sticks to his word.

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by JRILEY1992 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:43 am

Dont judge the signings until you have seen them play together in the leeds shirt either, a lot of people will be quick to judge them because they arent a big name, but when we signed them neither were snodgrass, becchio, mccormack, gradel...we made them into the player they became, so give them a chance before you start calling for another exodus

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by YorkshireSquare » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:41 am

Gordon wrote:There is no guarantee that Ross will produce the same goal tally this season.This was Ross,s decision not Massimo cellino,s.
Absolutely, he has had a couple of good seasons in his career, not guaranteed he will deliver next year. £11 million is an extremely good deal for us.

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by Gordon » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:35 am

Ross threw his teddy out in January. He was Brian's special player he probably had a lot of input in training and match day. All this was lost when Brian left, he was the same as the rest of the squad. The team under Brian never did any fitness training this was obvious ,they had an easy time. What ever the reason Ross did leave, he was hell bent on moving out if Brian did. Plus cash incentives(which I do not knock him for). There is no guarantee that Ross will produce the same goal tally this season.This was Ross,s decision not Massimo cellino,s.

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by jombo » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:16 am

I think this sale is completely different to the past ones. In the past McCormack has moaned about things and ended up coming away with a better contract and nobody has stood up to him but this time Cellino has. Also (ill believe this when i see it) there maybe some other players coming in with a decent pedigree and he realised he would not be the biggest fish in the pond. Whilst i dont think he would have wanted to go to Fulham nobody from the premier league came up with the cash and after handing in a transfer request and he wasnt given another new contract and no bigger clubs came in for him he had no choice. Be interesting to see where he and we are at Christmas. Good business for me!

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by YorkshireSquare » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:07 am

boris2468 wrote:So you say that the Championship top scorer last season is showing ambition by moving to a smaller club in the same division? I think the offer of a huge wage packet might have something to do with it.
No one player can ever be bigger than the club and I think MC has a plan so I'm going to give him a chance.
I was more trying to suggest that so far Leeds hadn't showed much ambition. We will see how the signings pan out this week. That will be the real show of Cellino's ambition and intent.

I agree though that if a player want's out he should go, especially for such a high fee, it's just a matter of what we do with that fee. We have seen money not reinvested before.

Re: Is McCormack sale any different?

by boris2468 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:59 am

So you say that the Championship top scorer last season is showing ambition by moving to a smaller club in the same division? I think the offer of a huge wage packet might have something to do with it.
No one player can ever be bigger than the club and I think MC has a plan so I'm going to give him a chance.

Is McCormack sale any different?

by YorkshireSquare » Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:06 pm

And so after much speculation Ross McCormack has finally completed his transfer to Fulham, signing a four year deal with the west London club. The deal is said to be worth around £11 million which is a significantly more than the £300,000 Leeds paid Cardiff for McCormack back in 2010. Although McCormack is proven at Championship level, averaging a goal every three games, he has been hot and cold. One decent season at Cardiff and one very good season at Leeds does not really add up to such a staggering fee. You can certainly say one things for Cellino in this deal, he drives a hard bargain. With early bids in the region of £5 million he seems to have squeezed the maximum amount possible from Fulham. Cellino is adamant though that he did not want to sell McCormack telling the Yorkshire Evening Post;

“I like to be in control of situations but it felt like he wasn’t my player. I was disrespected, he was aggressive with me. He didn’t turn up for the tour and all the time he wanted to go from here. It wasn’t in my mind to sell McCormack, it wasn’t my plan, but I had no choice. He’s a bloody good player and I’m not going to pretend that he isn’t but he didn’t respect me and it wasn’t possible to keep him.”

We have grown used to selling the family jewels over the years; Schmeichel, Gradel, Howson, Snodgrass and Becchino have all left in recent seasons. All for a combined fee less than this deal it is worth pointing out. But is this time different? Cellino seems fairly insistent that he did not want or need to sell the player but realising that it would be impossible to keep hold of him has ensured the club got the maximum value. Previous sales have reeked of desperation with players being sold for low fees to ensure we did not lose out when contracts expired and players who did not want to leave the club sold to balance the books.

This time, if what Cellino says is true, there is no requirement to sell players simply to balance the books. Despite the recent financial difficulties at the club it may be that we are in a position to reinvest a large proportion of the fee received for McCormack in new players. If Cellinos summer spending had already been budgeted for it may even provide a significant contribution to the re-purchase of Elland Road and Thorp Arch. Cellino will not or should not be judged on his words though, only his actions will tell us what the real situation I behind the scenes and if we can expect this money to be reinvested.

The club has been surrounded in the fog of the transfer embargo but shortly after the McCormack sale was confirmed Cellino announced the signings of goalkeeper Marco Silvestri and midfielder Tommaso Bianchi. They are the second and third new additions to the squad following on from the signing of goalkeeper Stuart Taylor last week. They are hardly big name signings though and many fans will believe we are still nowhere near being in a position to compete next year.

But what does McCormack move say about the club? Is it coincidence that his supposed transfer request was made the day after Hockaday was named head coach? Many would question McCormacks move to Fulham as lacking ambition, a move to another Championship club with small crowds would hardly seem to be the next step up for last years Championship top scorer. Perhaps McCormack is disillusioned with the situation at Leeds. With the sacking of a manger he clearly had a strong bond with and fought hard to keep at the club only to be replaced by a non-league manager maybe McCormack felt it was Leeds, not him that lacked ambition. His only comment so far on the move has been via Instagram;

“New start. Thanks for the good wishes. Devastated to leave Leeds under a cloud after 4 thoroughly enjoyable years. Will always be a fan.”

At the moment I can’t help feel that it is Leeds that are lacking the ambition. Cellino talks about respect a lot, as has Hockaday, but so far neither of them has earned my respect. Cellino appears to have shown little respect to his former manager, staff at Elland Road, certain players and the fans. The fans are what make this club and if Cellino wants us to respect him then he needs to act on his words. If McCormack did not have to be sold then we need to see the money reinvested. We need to see intent and ambition. So far hiring a non-league coach, selling your best player and buying mainly second tier Italian players does not feel that ambitious.

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