How many games before we change manager

[Jammy 07]

Hard to stop bringing it up after being told all season by the expert that it only matters after matchday 40 only for that being the exact time he shat the bed.

Or being told before Burnley that promotion and relegation won't be decided by Burnley despite him spending months of last season telling us it was August and September that stopped us being promoted.

Anyway things need to improve and have for a long time now.

4 games then let's see.

Things need to improve slightly and then automatic promotion should be the reward. As it stands we're 2 points behind where we need to be so perhaps all that's currently required is a bit of perspective.

Lose again on Saturday and obviously that situation changes so let's see if we're able to bounce back.

[chammond301]

Next opportunity for a review will be after the Sunderland game (international break). If we aren't in the top 6 by that point that I think he will be gone and Carlos Colberan will take over and take us up

[Clacton White]

I dont know about that Cjay with regards to LUFC.
Do you trust the 49ers to get it right with the next one. Carlos Corberan already mentioned on here.
Not very imaginative is it.
Anyway I’m quite interested in peoples thoughts in a way.
If you believe he should go then you most likely have your desired successor.
All I can say atm is if we are not promoted this season then it’s time for a change. I’m not a fan of the January new manager turmoil so in a sense its brave (or stupid) of Stoke to act quickly.
But anyway Farke will get this season. They definitely wont sack him. Unless….

I think the point with Corberan is he is doing a good job with a potentially worse squad than Leeds under Farke , even taking into account comings and goings at both clubs ......Albion haven't spent much at all over the past few seasons , in fact they complained frequently that Lai didn't put anything into the club ( I know he is gone now ) , they were run pretty much on par with Leeds under Bates , this isn't conjecture either ....I know Albion fans as I was from that area originally...so all in all CC has done a great job especially considering where they were going under Bruce prior . What I am saying is that given the two squads and considering what CC is working with at Albion , I think he could do very well at Leeds . Unfortunately I expect more of the same from Farke ....good but not spectacular, right now I think Leeds need very good .
I do think if they pull the plug on Farke it's going to be near end of this year , so maybe another 8-10 games ... depending of course on results .

[Cjay]

Just to throw a grenade in.

If they sack Farke eventually and he's still available then what odds on David Moyes being approached?

He fits the bill.

We have absolutely 0 imagination outside of ex English league managers.

He worked in this league before (very long time ago).

He'd be seen by the owners as a coup whatever people think of him.

And crucially the 49ers think Kinnear is a football expert, with his pally pally relationship with Wet Spam no way he doesn't know David Moyes.

And before people point out the obvious tactical difference between Moyes and Farke, one being dull possession for possession sake football the other being a more old fashioned sit back and direct style and the issues with changing style mid season remember Paraag is on record for not focusing on tactics when choosing a manager.

He prefers culture and personality and vibes (words to that effect).

So Moyes?

[Jaydog]

I always go on vibes when judging a person in fairness. Obviously good vibes only. Man. O yeah.

[Jaydog]

Just to throw a grenade in.

If they sack Farke eventually and he's still available then what odds on David Moyes being approached?

He fits the bill.

We have absolutely 0 imagination outside of ex English league managers.

He worked in this league before (very long time ago).

He'd be seen by the owners as a coup whatever people think of him.

And crucially the 49ers think Kinnear is a football expert, with his pally pally relationship with Wet Spam no way he doesn't know David Moyes.

And before people point out the obvious tactical difference between Moyes and Farke, one being dull possession for possession sake football the other being a more old fashioned sit back and direct style and the issues with changing style mid season remember Paraag is on record for not focusing on tactics when choosing a manager.

He prefers culture and personality and vibes (words to that effect).

So Moyes?

I’d always be hoping for young manager to the Moyes type. Maybe if its Emery level then a more mature manager is fine but giving young managers a chance seems to be the in thing. I say that with zero homework but it does seem to be the current vibe.
But I suppose most fans want a marquee manager and a McKenna type would never get a chance.
The how many games poll would be up before he arrived.
Crikey old Emery is only 52.

[DDB220]

Just to throw a grenade in.

If they sack Farke eventually and he's still available then what odds on David Moyes being approached?

He fits the bill.

We have absolutely 0 imagination outside of ex English league managers.

He worked in this league before (very long time ago).

He'd be seen by the owners as a coup whatever people think of him.

And crucially the 49ers think Kinnear is a football expert, with his pally pally relationship with Wet Spam no way he doesn't know David Moyes.

And before people point out the obvious tactical difference between Moyes and Farke, one being dull possession for possession sake football the other being a more old fashioned sit back and direct style and the issues with changing style mid season remember Paraag is on record for not focusing on tactics when choosing a manager.

He prefers culture and personality and vibes (words to that effect).

So Moyes?

Ok let’s have this hypothetical discussion.

Moyes is a good manager, but I can see him back at Everton as Dyche is in far more danger of getting the tin tack than Farke in the short term. Everton are only a few results away from their early season form becoming a crisis.

Thereafter assuming Farke is not getting the points tally expected by mid October, I am assuming the board will have a tipping point, there is a reasonable chance that by that stage Moyes will be in the Everton hot seat.

So then the question becomes what about Dyche ?

Not really a situation I want to apply much thought to right now. But it can be assumed the board will be considering all possibilities, as this game has a habit, particular for our club, of throwing an unexpected curve ball.

[CUSSIE01]

Ok let’s have this hypothetical discussion.

Moyes is a good manager, but I can see him back at Everton as Dyche is in far more danger of getting the tin tack than Farke in the short term. Everton are only a few results away from their early season form becoming a crisis.

Thereafter assuming Farke is not getting the points tally expected by mid October, I am assuming the board will have a tipping point, there is a reasonable chance that by that stage Moyes will be in the Everton hot seat.

So then the question becomes what about Dyche ?

Not really a situation I want to apply much thought to right now. But it can be assumed the board will be considering all possibilities, as this game has a habit, particular for our club, of throwing an unexpected curve ball.

As long as that curveball doesn’t land in Dyche’s lap.

[Jammy 07]

Just to throw a grenade in.

If they sack Farke eventually and he's still available then what odds on David Moyes being approached?

He fits the bill.

We have absolutely 0 imagination outside of ex English league managers.

He worked in this league before (very long time ago).

He'd be seen by the owners as a coup whatever people think of him.

And crucially the 49ers think Kinnear is a football expert, with his pally pally relationship with Wet Spam no way he doesn't know David Moyes.

And before people point out the obvious tactical difference between Moyes and Farke, one being dull possession for possession sake football the other being a more old fashioned sit back and direct style and the issues with changing style mid season remember Paraag is on record for not focusing on tactics when choosing a manager.

He prefers culture and personality and vibes (words to that effect).

So Moyes?

Would happily take Moyes as he'd be a far better bet for keeping us in the PL should we get there. Bags of experience and not only qualified for Europe but won a trophy there as well.

Not sure the football would be any better to watch than Farke's but all round he has to be the superior manager of the two.

[Jaydog]

Just to throw a grenade in.

If they sack Farke eventually and he's still available then what odds on David Moyes being approached?

He fits the bill.

We have absolutely 0 imagination outside of ex English league managers.

He worked in this league before (very long time ago).

He'd be seen by the owners as a coup whatever people think of him.

And crucially the 49ers think Kinnear is a football expert, with his pally pally relationship with Wet Spam no way he doesn't know David Moyes.

And before people point out the obvious tactical difference between Moyes and Farke, one being dull possession for possession sake football the other being a more old fashioned sit back and direct style and the issues with changing style mid season remember Paraag is on record for not focusing on tactics when choosing a manager.

He prefers culture and personality and vibes (words to that effect).

So Moyes?

I think this is a bit of a cop out on your behalf Cjay.
I said recently surely you have your idea of a viable alternative and now you throw in the Moyes grenade.
Probably more of a sparkler than a grenade tbh.
I was expecting a young(ish) hot prospect from you.
After all you spend your life studying these things
Surely an erudite man such as yourself has identified the next McKenna type manager.

[1964white]

I’d always be hoping for young manager to the Moyes type. Maybe if its Emery level then a more mature manager is fine but giving young managers a chance seems to be the in thing. I say that with zero homework but it does seem to be the current vibe.
But I suppose most fans want a marquee manager and a McKenna type would never get a chance.
The how many games poll would be up before he arrived.
Crikey old Emery is only 52.

It makes me laugh, some of our fans suggesting Moyes as our next manager.

He is the master of playing low block football.

Moyes style is horrible in comparison to Farke possession football.

Farke's 1.86 points per game over his five years management is the highest rate of any coach at this level.

[1964white]

5 games for the Farke out debate is hasty in the extreme but then some posters have been waiting all pre season for another opportunity so guess it's understandable

Our fans waiting in glee for our first defeat.

[Pullhard]

It's a real case of be careful what you wish for ..... lost count of the managers we went through in the relegation season 2 years ago.
No wonder all the players who could, ran for the exits.

If Solomon hadn't slipped, would we be on page 4 of this thread. Unlikely.

[pjm2019]

Our fans waiting in glee for our first defeat.

Looking at the squad at day 1 of this season i voted in another poll we would finish top 2 BUT can DF change tactics during a game when we look 2nd best despite 70% of the ball. Every time Burnley attacked they looked like their could score not LUFC

[CUSSIE01]

Looking at the squad at day 1 of this season i voted in another poll we would finish top 2 BUT can DF change tactics during a game when we look 2nd best despite 70% of the ball. Every time Burnley attacked they looked like their could score not LUFC

“ Look 2nd best “ ?? I must have been watching a different game. 70%+ possession against probably our main challenger this season, Joseph should have scored, denied a nailed on penalty, Gnonto unlucky when his shot hit Firpo. Not perfect but apart from a well taken goal from an unlucky slip we ran the game, even Premiership teams can struggle against 11 men behind the ball.
Farke undoubtedly has his faults but he’s our best chance of promotion imo, knee jerk changes of managers haven’t gone well for us in the past but if we’re not in our close to top two by Christmas I’ll happily take part in your poll until then DF has my support.

[Cjay]

I’d always be hoping for young manager to the Moyes type. Maybe if its Emery level then a more mature manager is fine but giving young managers a chance seems to be the in thing. I say that with zero homework but it does seem to be the current vibe.
But I suppose most fans want a marquee manager and a McKenna type would never get a chance.
The how many games poll would be up before he arrived.
Crikey old Emery is only 52.

We'd all probably prefer some ambitious left field appointment if the time came.

But we have to look at what went before.

The safest most obvious appointment they could, Farke.

The sort of appointment that 5 minutes of googling "most successful Championship coach" would bring up.

It would have bought up 2 names, Scott Parker and Daniel Farke (the other names either in work or too old) or Big Sam incidentally who actually has a better Championship record than Farke.

And fear of the unknown is powerful and powerful in our fanbase.

If you go look at the last manager poll

Rodgers, Potter, Corberan, Farke, Vieira, Carrick, Ryan Lowe and Jon Dahl Tommason got votes.

The only one who you could say was unknown would be Knutsen who got votes.

Current Brighton manager was on it, Fabian Hurzeler, 0 votes, current Sunderland manager Regis Le Bris, 0 votes, Kieran Mckenna, 0 votes.

I imagine the fanbase reflects the owners, fear of a risk.

Ironic really, had Radz and Orta followed the must not take a risk just Google the most successful Championship managers list and pick one criteria then one of the people above Farke on that list never happens.

6 years ago Radz took a risk on a 60+ year old famously temperamental maverick with 0 experience of the English game or even a solid grasp of the language.

One who had fallen out with owners, whose last club spell had gone horribly and whose most noteworthy achievements were quite a few years in the past.

That wasn't a safe appointment . . . .

[Cjay]

Ok let’s have this hypothetical discussion.

Moyes is a good manager, but I can see him back at Everton as Dyche is in far more danger of getting the tin tack than Farke in the short term. Everton are only a few results away from their early season form becoming a crisis.

Thereafter assuming Farke is not getting the points tally expected by mid October, I am assuming the board will have a tipping point, there is a reasonable chance that by that stage Moyes will be in the Everton hot seat.

So then the question becomes what about Dyche ?

Not really a situation I want to apply much thought to right now. But it can be assumed the board will be considering all possibilities, as this game has a habit, particular for our club, of throwing an unexpected curve ball.

If Dyche is available they'd consider him I'd imagine.

But just thought Moyes was obvious.

Moyes and Corberan seem the most likely if Farke goes.

[Cjay]

Would happily take Moyes as he'd be a far better bet for keeping us in the PL should we get there. Bags of experience and not only qualified for Europe but won a trophy there as well.

Not sure the football would be any better to watch than Farke's but all round he has to be the superior manager of the two.

He's far superior to Farke.

Bit of a yesterday's man.

Football wouldn't be fun but neither is Farke's.

Just think it's something they'd do, Kinnear's knowledge of managers extends to his phone book and Premier League Years on Sky Sports.

[Cjay]

I think this is a bit of a cop out on your behalf Cjay.
I said recently surely you have your idea of a viable alternative and now you throw in the Moyes grenade.
Probably more of a sparkler than a grenade tbh.
I was expecting a young(ish) hot prospect from you.
After all you spend your life studying these things
Surely an erudite man such as yourself has identified the next McKenna type manager.

I was just thinking like Angus

Moyes would tick all his boxes.

I don't think is any point looking for the next Mckenna or finding some gem abroad because I don't think our esteemed board and recruitment team will have the knowledge, ambition, bravery to try anything risky.

I nailed my colours to the Kjetil Knutsen mast some time ago (he's won another league title since then and looks like he may win another fairly soon).

But I just dont think they'd have the knowledge or bravery to appoint someone like him.

It's much easier and safer to appoint Farke for example with his solid Championship record then if it goes wrong they can say "ah but we got the best man we could he won the league 2,3 years ago".

Flawed of course, if they wanted someone with a strong Championship record could have kept Big Sam (he has a better Championship one than farke)

[Carrick Dave]

Far too early to be devoting any time to thinking about managerial alternatives.

Has anybody actually voted in this daft poll?