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Cjay wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 2:29 pm I agree actually i dont think he is a top Premier league striker.

I dont think his finishing is good enough.

But how much do you pay for a top Premier league striker now?

£50,60,70,80mil?

How many top level Premier league players do we have in truth?

Raph?

Probably about it really atm.
His finishing could indeed be a little sharper... Spuds have 3 top class rated strikers in Bale, Kane and Son...yet we taught them a master class at the week end ..Paddy scored... and Rodrigo as a sub our only two strikers...son was their only one on the sheet, other two totally shut down...not always about the strikers
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I'm going with the middle road here. I like the bloke and 15 goals (so far) is a great return for our first season back, given the 20-goal marker is generally seen as the minimum benchmark for excellence. If he improves on his tally next season should we strengthen the service he gets, it's going to be harder and harder to deny his quality.

I do think there are better strikers out there but we're talking European place-quality. That's a narrow bracket. I think it's too early to say yet whether other strikers would be better or worse considering all the non-finishing parts of the position that's required but I do think it's safe to say that there are positions in far, far greater need of upgrading than his in the short term.

Also, I do believe Gelhardt is being groomed to be his successor. I don't think we'll be buying anyone in unless Bamford leaves voluntarily.
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Currently in the top 6 in the scoring charts add to that he has more assists than the others (apart from Kane) .
Only taken one penalty so his total doesn't have as much of a boost like some of the others.
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His value has never been higher than it is now tbh. I'd keep unless we got a crazy bid, like £30m+. Bring in Aguero for a year, then bring in Gelhardt and Greenwood the following season.
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faaip wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 1:33 pm I still don't see a top premiership player there. But I'll keep shtum because I know I can't argue that here without recourse. I know I've tried
And I thought you were warming to Paddy mate.
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Smudge3920 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 2:39 pm His finishing could indeed be a little sharper... Spuds have 3 top class rated strikers in Bale, Kane and Son...yet we taught them a master class at the week end ..Paddy scored... and Rodrigo as a sub our only two strikers...son was their only one on the sheet, other two totally shut down...not always about the strikers
Spurs had 3 class trikers but that is about all they do score or assist. I think you could easily add 5 goals to PB in terms of what his overall game adds to this Leeds side, same as with Harrison really you could have players in the same position who score/create more but don't do the stuff that Harrison does to help the team. Take Harrison and Bamford out of the team and replace them with Bale and Kane and yes you get more goals but would the Bielsa machine be stronger or weaker?
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weasel wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 5:25 pm Spurs had 3 class trikers but that is about all they do score or assist. I think you could easily add 5 goals to PB in terms of what his overall game adds to this Leeds side, same as with Harrison really you could have players in the same position who score/create more but don't do the stuff that Harrison does to help the team. Take Harrison and Bamford out of the team and replace them with Bale and Kane and yes you get more goals but would the Bielsa machine be stronger or weaker?
An interesting hypothetical.

While I'm not calling for that to happen (although I rate Kane very highly), unless they were prepared to play BielsaBall, they wouldn't make the team.
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HarryofOz wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:48 pm An interesting hypothetical.

While I'm not calling for that to happen (although I rate Kane very highly), unless they were prepared to play BielsaBall, they wouldn't make the team.
Go on then, why? :bear:
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A model pro, on and off the pitch, a crucial element of the Bielsa project. Leeds have been fortunate with strikers over the last decade, Beckford, Becchio, McCormack, Wood and now Bamford. Unlike the first 4, at long last we can afford to hang on to one of them, and the one whose goals took us up and established us in the top tier. If rumours are true and Leeds have pinned him down to a contract extension, it's great news.
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For the life of me, I can’t understand how anyone thinks Paddy is not a PL striker. He’s the sixth- leading scorer in the league, plus he does a world of things no other striker is called upon to do.

There isn’t another striker on the planet who would do everything Bielsa demands as enthusiastically as Paddy.

I always thought he’d be better in the EPL as he’d have more room in which to operate, but he’s delivered beyond anything we could have hoped for.

We could use a backup for him, but why on earth would we want to spend the money required to bring in someone who might get us four or five more goals over 40 games but could never do all the other things Bamford does?
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Mountain wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 11:22 pm A model pro, on and off the pitch, a crucial element of the Bielsa project. Leeds have been fortunate with strikers over the last decade, Beckford, Becchio, McCormack, Wood and now Bamford. Unlike the first 4, at long last we can afford to hang on to one of them, and the one whose goals took us up and established us in the top tier. If rumours are true and Leeds have pinned him down to a contract extension, it's great news.
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John in Louisiana wrote:
For the life of me, I can’t understand how anyone thinks Paddy is not a PL striker. He’s the sixth- leading scorer in the league, plus he does a world of things no other striker is called upon to do.

There isn’t another striker on the planet who would do everything Bielsa demands as enthusiastically as Paddy.

I always thought he’d be better in the EPL as he’d have more room in which to operate, but he’s delivered beyond anything we could have hoped for.

We could use a backup for him, but why on earth would we want to spend the money required to bring in someone who might get us four or five more goals over 40 games but could never do all the other things Bamford does?
Great post John. He's not only a great striker and team player but his intelligence and articulation show through at every interview.
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John in Louisiana wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 1:11 am For the life of me, I can’t understand how anyone thinks Paddy is not a PL striker. He’s the sixth- leading scorer in the league, plus he does a world of things no other striker is called upon to do.

There isn’t another striker on the planet who would do everything Bielsa demands as enthusiastically as Paddy.

I always thought he’d be better in the EPL as he’d have more room in which to operate, but he’s delivered beyond anything we could have hoped for.

We could use a backup for him, but why on earth would we want to spend the money required to bring in someone who might get us four or five more goals over 40 games but could never do all the other things Bamford does?
Excellent summarization John :tup:

I'm always concerned when Paddy is subbed during the game as his work rate is often missed & we are under the cosh defensively once he leaves the pitch.
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becchio bear wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:32 pm Go on then, why? :bear:
He is skilful, he works hard, he scores goals, he creates chances.
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HarryofOz wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:47 am He is skilful, he works hard, he scores goals, he creates chances.
Ok you've described Bamford, I asked your opinion on Kane :P :bear:
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becchio bear wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:55 am Ok you've described Bamford, I asked your opinion on Kane :P :bear:
Off to your own shed you go :P
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John in Louisiana wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 1:11 am For the life of me, I can’t understand how anyone thinks Paddy is not a PL striker. He’s the sixth- leading scorer in the league, plus he does a world of things no other striker is called upon to do.

There isn’t another striker on the planet who would do everything Bielsa demands as enthusiastically as Paddy.

I always thought he’d be better in the EPL as he’d have more room in which to operate, but he’s delivered beyond anything we could have hoped for.

We could use a backup for him, but why on earth would we want to spend the money required to bring in someone who might get us four or five more goals over 40 games but could never do all the other things Bamford does?
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John in Louisiana wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 1:11 am For the life of me, I can’t understand how anyone thinks Paddy is not a PL striker. He’s the sixth- leading scorer in the league, plus he does a world of things no other striker is called upon to do.
This is the Bielsaball phenomenon. It's difficult to compare one players to those in the same positions in other teams on a 1 v. 1 basis because ours are expected to do more than one role and play in more than one position. You can argue others are better at finishing than Bamford but at the same time, stone cold facts force you to concede that they don't have the legs, stamina, work rate, communication, closing down, pressing or all of the above to match him in the rest of those arenas.

Could the mighty Sergio Aguero run and press for 90+ minutes these days? I have my doubts. And in this team, his lethality as a no9 won't matter one bit if he's not working in tandem with everyone else in the system.

In Bielsaball all players are cogs in the glorious machine. If those cogs aren't built to precise specification then the machine begins to fall apart. Generally speaking, if he's not scoring enough then it's not actually his fault, rather it's other cogs not turning well enough for him to operate smoothly. The more I look back the more I realise that.
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John in Louisiana wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 1:11 am For the life of me, I can’t understand how anyone thinks Paddy is not a PL striker. He’s the sixth- leading scorer in the league, plus he does a world of things no other striker is called upon to do.

There isn’t another striker on the planet who would do everything Bielsa demands as enthusiastically as Paddy.

I always thought he’d be better in the EPL as he’d have more room in which to operate, but he’s delivered beyond anything we could have hoped for.

We could use a backup for him, but why on earth would we want to spend the money required to bring in someone who might get us four or five more goals over 40 games but could never do all the other things Bamford does?
Spot on John...it is baffling...
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The Year of the Bamford
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