The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Tue 24th September) - Would a new lucrative deal for Ayling show lack of ambition?

[Ellandback1]

Good Morning. It's Tuesday 24th September, and here are the Leeds Utd headlines...


And the FIFA fair play award for 2019 goes to...... Marcelo Bielsa and the Leeds Utd squad!!!!!

Well, we weren't expecting that, were we? Neither were BBC 5 Live Sport. Here were their reactions as the news filtered through.

Bielsa's decision to let Villa equalise against them last season as one of the their players lay dying in agony (actually the Villa player got injured trying to foul a Leeds player) has earned him the prestigious award with the Worlds governing game. Here is their acceptance speech.

What does this award tell you about football? Most professionals will play to the referee's whistle. The fact that Leeds were awarded this accolade, shows we were probably the only team in the World in the last twelve months to allow an opposition team to walk the ball into the net.

If this is the case is it fair play or stupidity. Was Jansson's card marked from this moment onwards?

Cooper and fitness coach Benoit Delaval accept the award!

Ayling to be awarded new lucrative deal

Luke Ayling will be the next Leeds player to be awarded a new lucrative contract at Elland Road. The former Arsenal trainee has 107 appearances under his belt with Leeds, and at 28, a long term deal will see out his best days of his career at Elland Road.

Is Ayling good enough for the Prem? Can he stay fit?

By awarding Dallas, Cooper and now Ayling with long term contracts, what does this tell you about their ambition next season should they go up? Recently promoted Villa spend circa 100m in the Summer, yet they languish in the bottom three!

So, does Ayling deserve a new long term contract? Leeds pundit Noel Whelan certainly thinks so:-

Wow, we’re really going for it. A new contract for Luke Ayling is absolutely deserved. He’s a key player, experienced, massive in the dressing room and proven in the Championship.

He’s been the first choice right-back when fit and available under many different managers, and Bielsa obviously rates him highly.

You need strength in depth in your squad. Stuart Dallas has done exceptionally well but you need to have your players pushing each other, and it’s great there is going to be a real fight for the right-back position.

Luke Ayling faces a battle to win back his place from Dallas, but that can only be a good thing for Leeds.

[Ellandback1]

Complete the sentence.

The Worst thing about modern football is ..........

[Chilli D]

Complete the sentence.

The Worst thing about modern football is ..........

VAR

[Ellandback1]

A fantastic article from Mike Thornton - @Mike_J_Thornton

Thoughts?


Why the EFL Stadium Sale Rule is Flawed

Another Reason Why I’m Against Stadium Sales Reducing FFP Losses

To further highlight the stupidity of the EFL’s change to FFP Profit and Sustainability Rules, consider this:

The stadium sale rules apply to training grounds as well in exactly the same way; they are banned from reducing FFP losses by UEFA but allowed under the EFL’s latest interpretation.

Let’s imagine a Championship Club in the north of England. Let’s imagine they buy a derelict piece of land from the local council; land that has lain unused for over 13 years because the council cannot afford to change it, land that is earmarked for sports use and is not attractive to developers, land that is in a run-down area.

Let’s imagine that Club buys the land for, oh let’s say £1m for illustration.

Let’s now imagine that planning permission is achieved to build a world-class training ground on the site; the value goes up accordingly.

Let’s say developers who own land in the surrounding area get planning permission to build new houses and massively improve the area for residents. The council are delighted.

Again, the value of the training ground increases substantially.

Now imagine that Championship Club gets an independent valuation saying the land with its new planning permission, sitting in a newly developed, vibrant community is worth £21m.

That Championship Club then sells the land to a group subsidiary located in Singapore and banks £21m cash and wipes out £20m FFP losses.

Now lets imagine that Championship Club builds a new training building at a cost of, oh let’s say £5m for illustrative purposes.

As any builder or property developer will tell you, a finished building is worth much more than it costs to build – that’s how they make their money, after all.

So the Championship Club gets a valuation for the finished training ground of £60m and sells the whole training ground to their group subsidiary located in Singapore.

This books a further £55m profit and instantly wipes out £55m of FFP losses.

Remember none of this complies with UEFA rules nor with the principles of FFP but is now fully allowed by the EFL.

This Championship Club gets a distinct advantage over other clubs and can spend massive amounts of money on players, making huge losses at the same time and gets NO SANCTIONS because the EFL have allowed them to book an extraordinary abnormal income as profit against FFP.

Other clubs in the EFL might complain that the EFL have created a distorted financial market and a sporting event that is not equal and fair to all.

They can complain all they like though because Derby County, Sheffield Wednesday and Aston Villa have all set the precedent.

In my opinion this change by the EFL is a stupid, flawed idea.

If the EFL want to prevent a free-for-all and a complete erosion of the principles of FFP then they MUST immediately withdraw the approval given to these three clubs and immediately issue them with the sanctions that FFP dictates.

Mike Thornton – 20th September 2019

[Ellandback1]

VAR

Morning Chilli.

Very interesting.

Would you accept VAR under some circumstances?

They could send a player off for diving?

or

Did the ball cross the line?

or perhaps

That player should not have been sent off?

[Irish Ian]

Morning everyone I havent read through everything yet but this made me laugh.


"The fact that Leeds were awarded this accolade, shows we were probably the only team in the World in the last twelve months to allow an opposition team to walk the ball into the net."


Now the coaches need to get through to the players IT WAS A ONE OFF... no need to do it EVERY week at home and 1964 it was another late goal at the same end of the ground ( spooky)

Worst thing about modern football wow we can only select one... ok for has to be soccer dads. The Saturday morning sound from the sidelines screaming at young Timmy to get stuck in, create space, get forward, etc with extra vitriol directed towards opposition, refs etc. It would be funny if it wasnt so sad.

[Irish Ian]

Great article about the ground sale loophole. I can see more clear,y now why Boro are suing the Efl instead of individual clubs. I would other clubs from the leagues to add their voices to this issue and bring EFL before UEFA as well.

[The Subhuman]

Complete the sentence.

The Worst thing about modern football is ..........

Sky

[Irish Ian]

Morning Chilli.

Very interesting.

Would you accept VAR under some circumstances?

They could send a player off for diving?

or

Did the ball cross the line?

or perhaps

That player should not have been sent off?

For me it isnt VAR that is the problem, it is some of the laws that it is highlighting. Maybe the offside rules could be looked at as I have saw blade of grass distinctions being made by VAR which are very pedantic.

One worry I have now is that it could make the officials less vigilant ( it has in cricket) as they know they have technology to rely on if they miss something.

Ine thing though IF we were to promote Liam Cooper would need his hands chopped off we would concede a pen every week.

[rab_rant]

Complete the sentence.

The Worst thing about modern football is ..........

The lack of pukka pies

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[Chilli D]

Morning Chilli.

Very interesting.

Would you accept VAR under some circumstances?

They could send a player off for diving?

or

Did the ball cross the line?

or perhaps

That player should not have been sent off?

The powers that be have, as usual, completely ballsed up what should have been a usual tool with VAR.
VAR was supposed to only be used to correct a decision when the officials had made an obvious mistake.
But no, we have decisions being reversed because a toe cap or knee is in an offside position. Absolutely ridiculous.
The one in the Leicester v Spurs game was laughable.

Goal line technology is already in use and works fine.

The FA need to have a re-think when it comes to VAR because it is spoiling the game the way it's being used at the moment.

[The Subhuman]

Maybe we can go the NFL way with VAR..Wanna a decision looked at? throw a red flag, you get 2 per game, get it right you get to pick up your flag and use it again..and there has to be clear evidence the original decision was wrong..

[weasel]

Maybe we can go the NFL way with VAR..Wanna a decision looked at? throw a red flag, you get 2 per game, get it right you get to pick up your flag and use it again..and there has to be clear evidence the original decision was wrong..

Yeah would make a lot more sense an is basically the same process they use in the cricket (with each team getting two appeals per innings and that you keep your appeal if you win). Also if the decision is too close to call (i.e. a really tight offside) then the ref's original decision wouldn't be reversed but also the team losing the appeal wouldn't lose a review.

People for me are judging VAR too quickly as with any new system it takes a while to work out how best to use it, what to check for, what not to check for etc. The problem they have is that they have gone straight into testing it at the top level, they should have set it up at a much lower level but then used the premier refs for the matches so that they would all be experienced before they started using it in the elite matches.

[60sUnited]

The powers that be have, as usual, completely ballsed up what should have been a usual tool with VAR.
VAR was supposed to only be used to correct a decision when the officials had made an obvious mistake.
But no, we have decisions being reversed because a toe cap or knee is in an offside position. Absolutely ridiculous.
The one in the Leicester v Spurs game was laughable.

Goal line technology is already in use and works fine.

The FA need to have a re-think when it comes to VAR because it is spoiling the game the way it's being used at the moment.

Agree completely Chilli D, its becoming a joke and the way it is being used is detracting from the game !

[leic white 63]

Complete the sentence.

The Worst thing about modern football is ..........

money , ruined the beautiful game.

[leic white 63]

The powers that be have, as usual, completely ballsed up what should have been a usual tool with VAR.
VAR was supposed to only be used to correct a decision when the officials had made an obvious mistake.
But no, we have decisions being reversed because a toe cap or knee is in an offside position. Absolutely ridiculous.
The one in the Leicester v Spurs game was laughable.

Goal line technology is already in use and works fine.

The FA need to have a re-think when it comes to VAR because it is spoiling the game the way it's being used at the moment.

give that man a bone !

[1964white]

The powers that be have, as usual, completely ballsed up what should have been a usual tool with VAR.
VAR was supposed to only be used to correct a decision when the officials had made an obvious mistake.
But no, we have decisions being reversed because a toe cap or knee is in an offside position. Absolutely ridiculous.
The one in the Leicester v Spurs game was laughable.

Goal line technology is already in use and works fine.

The FA need to have a re-think when it comes to VAR because it is spoiling the game the way it's being used at the moment.

Agree Chilli

If a new system is implemented surely it should be right from the off but we are talking the FA/FL here who are just a group of overpaid dumb wits.

What is wrong with this country ? we are run by buffoons, men/women in power who are incapable of making important decisions in all walks of life

[1964white]

The worst things in modern football....

Greed
Cheating/diving/feigning Injury/wasting-time
Sky
Play-offs
Offside rule
Non-contact sport
All-seater stadiums
Ticket prices
Minimal monies filtered down to the lower-league clubs/grassroots

[SG90]

Giving 4/5 year deals to players in their late 20s is not good business sense. If we got promoted, would Ayling, Cooper and Dallas be our starting defence? That spells immediate relegation. I'm fine with young players getting that, as that's different. We should really be tying up Shack, Davis, Bogusz etc. Also does every player need to be given a large increase in wages? Radz said the wage bill was too high, yet here he is increasing it again. If we're selling u23s to cover it, I'll be fuming.

[mothbanquet]

Been a bit quiet of late so sorry for the forum spam this eve. I've nowt to say that hasn't been said already except:

What is the worst thing about modern football...

Derby County's existence.