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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Friday 13th December) David Stockdale - Thanks, but no thanks

Post by Ellandback1 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:45 am



Good Morning. Its Friday 13th December, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Bielsa's pre match press conference

Forshaw, Shackleton and Roberts remain on the treatment table.

Cooper has responded well to treatment to the calf strain to picked up in training a fortnight ago, but is unlikely to start tomorrow against Cardiff.

Here is what else Bielsa said in his pre match press conference yesterday



Clarke's a wanted man

Fulham, Middlesbrough, Derby and Nottingham Forest are fighting it out for the services of Jack Clarke in January. The 19 year old has yet to start a league game for the Whites since his transfer and subsequent loan back from Spurs. Have Leeds missed something, or do we have superior players already in his position?




Leeds snub Stockdale's advances

It has been revealed that Birmingham City contacted Leeds to see whether they'd be interested in the services of David Stockdale! The 34 year old shot stopper is out of favour at St Andrews, having only featured once this season. It is widely known that Stockdale originally comes from Leeds, and is a massive Whites fan! Unfortunately for the ex Brighton keeper, Bielsa was not interested!




Academy duo receive praise from Bielsa

Leif Davis and Robbie Gotts were both singled out for praise during Bielsa's pre match press conference yesterday. The stars of tomorrow have caught the eye of the 64yo gaffer, though unfortunately it looks like they'll have to wait to receive their chance!

Davis is a great player, full of future, resources and skills, but so far Alioski, Douglas and Dallas are playing. Maybe for this reality he is not inside the group of 11, but all his tendencies are good. In my opinion, Davis was far from the first team in our first year and after he worked a lot in the team, with brilliant willing, a lot of effort, dedication, he gives everything. Never demand for nothing. After he became a better player he started to strengthen his play, which before he didn’t have.

Regarding Gotts, Bielsa was quoted as saying...

They must be patient because they don’t have another choice. The other choice is don’t be involved in the team or the other choice is to show they are better than the players who are playing. Shackleton, Dallas, [Adam] Forshaw, [Mateusz] Klich in Gotts’s position, for instance.

In Gotts's situation, I feel guilty about what is happening because he does everything to achieve his goal even though he didn’t have minutes on the pitch, but the only way I have, I have to be convinced he is better than the options I mentioned and there's something true how I am going to prove this if he doesn’t have minutes. It's a situation that is unfair for Gotts. It’s very, very difficult for me to resolve. It’s difficult, but the reality is they are young players forced to say nothing and accept what the manager decides. This increases the feeling I have I am worrying about.

Gotts is in a special situation because he got a lot less than what he deserves. At the moment, I am not finding a fair situation to resolve this. In another moment I said to Robbie ‘I really wish you stay with us’, but I would understand if he thought it was better for him to leave, I would understand this. On the other hand I kept Gotts in the group because I believe he has options, but the situation I think Gotts is an option, doesn’t mean I am going to give him minutes.

This is more difficult when you have to manage the wishes of being human. Another thing is difficult to leave Leeds, it’s not convenient to leave here without thinking very hard, but I also understand in some situations the timing is key. Gotts is a player I admire for his skills and for his human qualities. I can say the same of Shackleton, Forshaw, Dallas, all of them. If any moment I think Gotts has no chance to overcome those players, I would tell him.

If Gotts understands he doesn’t want to stay here in Leeds, I would support him. He expresses himself a lot because it is something for a lot of players in the same situation. I could say the same about Alfie McCalmont and the other players as well. I realise you asked for those players about their futures, this model of thinking is for all the young players.




Its Friday the 13th!

Anyone superstitious? Do you believe that fate is something you could control by doing lucky things or avoiding doing unlucky things? Any strange protocol you go through before a Leeds game?nDo you believe in superstition? Do you have any stories you want to share?


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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Friday 13th December) David Stockdale - Thanks, but no thanks

Post by rrfierce » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:55 am

I think Leeds some send some of the U23's out on loan. Would be great for them to remain leeds players but get some decent experience playing in first teams. I'd say some of them are easily good enough to go to other championship sides.

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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Friday 13th December) David Stockdale - Thanks, but no thanks

Post by gessa » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:27 am

Whatever it is with Jack Clarke, Bielsa doesn't fancy playing him, not surprised to see him go elsewhere, whether he finds the form of 15 months ago, who knows.

Stockdale had the chance to join us from Brighton but chose the better wages at Birmingham, not played for an age, why would we want him now, Brum just want to offload his excessive wage.


Imo Davis should be ahead of Douglas, who gives us nothing, not even his strong points of free kicks and passing have been any good.


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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Friday 13th December) David Stockdale - Thanks, but no thanks

Post by Ratscoot » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:47 am

Morning EB et all

JC isn’t fancied by Bielsa so best thing for him is to go elsewhere, get some game time and hopefully get his confidence and form back, maybe take a few points off of our rivals :tup:

Stockdale had his chance to come but blew it, still a good keeper but will end up at a mid Championship club who pay him loads thinking he’ll help get them to the promised land

The kids need to see that there is definitely a route into the first team so need to see the fringe players get their chance but they also need to be patient and prove they are good enough. I’d love to see Davis and Gotts in the first team on a regular basis but only if their better than the ones already there
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Post by weasel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:01 am

Clarke's a wanted man

Not surprised that clubs want him as they will have seen the matches last season where he made a difference and the fact Spurs paid £10m for him. However he is well down the pecking order at Leeds and presumably has shown little for the U23s either (certainly don't recall anyone posting up any highlights involving him. Could do very well for another club but I just don't see him as being anywhere near capable, fitness wise, or fitting into the winger role at Leeds. Bielsa did have him training as a no.10 in the summer and that is a role that may have suited him more but presumably he didn't impress.

Leeds snub Stockdale's advances

It amazes me how poor the standard of journalism has become. Leeds are continually linked with Stockdale just because he is supposedly a Leeds fan. We are linked with him despite the fact he is completely unsuited to playing as a sweeper keeper in a Bielsa side. Same as BPF.

Academy duo receive praise from Bielsa

Same as with a lot of our youngsters they have to bide their time and then seize the chance when it comes, like Shackleton did. It is a tricky situation as going out on loan may actually hamper their progress as they will not be playing the Bielsa way, so although they may get minutes they may not particularly improve as a player. Also no guarantee they would get minutes as you just have to look at Odour and Wilkes who left Leeds to go to a team where they presumably had more chance of playing but are not getting many minutes at all.

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Post by Ellandback1 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:34 am

weasel wrote:
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Clarke's a wanted man

Not surprised that clubs want him as they will have seen the matches last season where he made a difference and the fact Spurs paid £10m for him. However he is well down the pecking order at Leeds and presumably has shown little for the U23s either (certainly don't recall anyone posting up any highlights involving him. Could do very well for another club but I just don't see him as being anywhere near capable, fitness wise, or fitting into the winger role at Leeds. Bielsa did have him training as a no.10 in the summer and that is a role that may have suited him more but presumably he didn't impress.

Leeds snub Stockdale's advances

It amazes me how poor the standard of journalism has become. Leeds are continually linked with Stockdale just because he is supposedly a Leeds fan. We are linked with him despite the fact he is completely unsuited to playing as a sweeper keeper in a Bielsa side. Same as BPF.

Academy duo receive praise from Bielsa

Same as with a lot of our youngsters they have to bide their time and then seize the chance when it comes, like Shackleton did. It is a tricky situation as going out on loan may actually hamper their progress as they will not be playing the Bielsa way, so although they may get minutes they may not particularly improve as a player. Also no guarantee they would get minutes as you just have to look at Odour and Wilkes who left Leeds to go to a team where they presumably had more chance of playing but are not getting many minutes at all.

Its Friday the 13th!

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Post by faaip » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:03 pm

Tip of the iceberg are Gotts and Davis and it's a difficult balancing act for all involved. We have at least another first team not getting games at the moment because of how good our first team actually is. No real need to add in Jan and additions push the youngsters who are probably better down the pecking order
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Post by rrfierce » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:20 pm

Jack Clarke is a funny one. He looked like the best thing since sliced bread for a short period of time last christmas. Then he was taken ill at boro and hasn't been the same player since.

Hope he goes somewhere and gets back the form he showed last season.

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Post by Chilli D » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:00 pm

Afternoon All,

It's a shame that Jack Clarke has discovered the form he showed when he broke into the first team but it makes sense for him to go elsewhere for the sake of his career.
Will he be missed? We're top of the league and he hasn't started a single league game...enough said.
I hope he does well wherever he ends up except against us.

David Stockdale - You missed your chance so jog on.

I'm of the opinion that several of the U23's are already good enough for the first team but others on here don't share that opinion.
Robbie Gotts must be the most frustrated of the lot, he's obviously training with the first team squad week in, week out and part of the match day squad just about every week now but can't get any minutes on the pitch. It must be even more frustrating when a central midfielder (kLICH) gets taken off and replaced with a LB ie Barry Douglas.
It was, however good to see both Casey and Struijk given some first team experience recently.
And the likes of Bogusz, Davis, Edmondson, Hosannah and McCalmont all have a big future ahead of them, I think.
While the team is doing so well it is difficult to make a case for them though.

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Post by weasel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:21 pm

Chilli D wrote:
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I'm of the opinion that several of the U23's are already good enough for the first team but others on here don't share that opinion.
Tricky to know exactly what we have until they play for the first team as impossible really to judge how strong the U23 league is. Just look at our youth cup winning team that beat MU yet it was the MU youngsters that had the better careers.
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Post by weasel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:36 pm

Ellandback1 wrote:
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In order to best understand your dream of dying, it is important to look at what is going on in your waking life that may have triggered such a dream.
Bizarrely the dreams were often long periods apart - think the first one was years before the 'death date' but every now and again another dream and always the same 'death date.' Needless to say was a little nervy on the day but went to work as normal. Nothing of any note seemed to happen on that date either to myself or in the world in general. Not had a dream about death since then though which in itself would seem strange.
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Post by faaip » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:00 pm

weasel wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:36 pm
Bizarrely the dreams were often long periods apart - think the first one was years before the 'death date' but every now and again another dream and always the same 'death date.' Needless to say was a little nervy on the day but went to work as normal. Nothing of any note seemed to happen on that date either to myself or in the world in general. Not had a dream about death since then though which in itself would seem strange.
Gregorian or Julian calendar ?
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Post by Irish Ian » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:29 pm

Morning Folks,

If Clarke cant get game time with us then to be fair to him it is well that Spurs move him somewhere else.

Interesting that Bielsa feels that some of these lads are good but he cant find game time for them at the minute. Pity as that is how careers get stagnated, at some point they will have to move on for their own sake. Maybe the pressure of being in a promotion race causes this but it is a shame if decent talent gets missed. But imo there far far too many professional footballers in far too many clubs in the UK which leaves so many players disillusioned with the game. Gotts especially seems to be a bench warmer. Pity.

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Post by rab_rant » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:38 pm

Superstition is one thing, but Apophenia is another, and I think
lots of people , especially gamblers let apophenia rule their lives. If you suffer
from apophenia then you see patterns and meaning in everything. You will see
the virgin mary on a burnt piece of toast, angels in cloud formations, crosses
inside potatoes. You just see patterns and assign special significance to them.

I have noticed that in the horse racing section young miss BB will often choose a
horse if it has Harry in its name. Perhaps she had a good experiance with someone
called Harry and she believes that if this horse wins she will feel good about Harry once
again.

Rather that write out my story about apophenia here is a little video I made which
explains how I won over 200 pounds by following an apophenic hunch. The thing is you
always remember the times when the universe delivers on an apophenic promise,
but quickly forget all the times that it did not work and your hunch ends in abject failure.

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