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Cjay wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:20 pm If we can get fined for standing on a footpath based on a vague rule about fair play then the snakey 6 should get absolutely hammered..

If its a fine it must be well in the tens of millions each, not 1.or 2mil but 30, 40, 50mil a substantial number to be paid immediately.

If the authorities bottle this then they lose all authority
Its a joke, this is pittance at the end of the day. The fine plus future fines if folks stray will be offset by whatever new backers of a super league will offer as payout.

I would like to see what happens to the clubs that are still staying in for the ESL. I was very surprised that the Real Madrid / Chelsea game did not see more fan action this week. The Spanish clubs should be barred or docked substantial fees.

Correct me if I read incorrectly , the aggregate fines will be doled out over all the European leagues. Considering 50% of the ESL were from the EPL, we should expect 50% to the English pyramid (including non league and local clubs).
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Cjay wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:41 pm https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediase ... volved-in/

An absolute joke.
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The Prem league needs to really stand up to these 6 teams, if they do not they will be bitten in the ass in the future by them, show they mean business ...fines should be in excess of 20 million each club, then as I would like to see, the 120 mill (or more) distributed amongst the lower league clubs ... The caveat being any team who has recieved parachute payments within the last 3 years in the championship does not qualify ...
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Several former footballers have launched a parliamentary petition calling for an independent regulator in English football.

Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher, Rio Ferdinand and Gary Lineker are among 23 ex-players and journalists to undersign an open letter to fans.

They say April's European Super League attempted breakaway demonstrates the need to reform the game's governance.

The petition was signed by more than 20,000 people in its first hour.

For it to be considered for a parliamentary debate, 100,000 signatures are required.


"As football fans, we were appalled by the attempt to set up a European Super League," reads the letter, which has also been signed by Jamie Redknapp and Micah Richards

"It was a direct threat to the integrity of the game; destroying the concept of sporting merit and open competition.

"Supporters came together with one voice to oppose the cynical power-grab by a group of wealthy owners. The furious protests were heard and the breakaway fell apart.


"Now we must make sure this never happens again. Without swift and direct intervention, the return of a European Super League will be a constant threat."

In addition to an independent regulator, the petition also calls for government legislation which would stop Premier League clubs from attempting to abandon the football pyramid.

Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City and Tottenham all withdrew from the European Super League within 48 hours of its launch after fans protested.

The move was criticised by the UK government, which has brought forward a fan-led review into English football that will consider ownership, finance and supporter involvement in the game.

"We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters' representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income," the letter added.

"All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now."
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A great article, and it is so good to see top ex prem league players becoming vocal in the support of the fans. Rumour has it since that article was released, the momentum is picking up with even more support of ex players... all good stuff.
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Independent regulator? What does that even mean.

I can just imagine the outcry at their very first decision/ruling - 'people who know nothing about football and aren't involved in the game making decisions from their ivory towers'

As for the government passing legislation to stop teams from leaving the 'pyramid' - what are they going to do? Imprison potential players and administrators? How can they stop a legal structure that is set up in another country?

As long as the rewards outshine the punishments, there is no stopping the ESL or equivalent.

The only thing that can be done is for the Premier League, FA and other bodies to ban those who leave from participating in their comps. That may discourage them from leaving, but I don't see how it can be legally stopped.
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HarryofOz wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 7:45 am Independent regulator? What does that even mean.

I can just imagine the outcry at their very first decision/ruling - 'people who know nothing about football and aren't involved in the game making decisions from their ivory towers'

As for the government passing legislation to stop teams from leaving the 'pyramid' - what are they going to do? Imprison potential players and administrators? How can they stop a legal structure that is set up in another country?

As long as the rewards outshine the punishments, there is no stopping the ESL or equivalent.

The only thing that can be done is for the Premier League, FA and other bodies to ban those who leave from participating in their comps. That may discourage them from leaving, but I don't see how it can be legally stopped.
It's lip service Harry, going to be a meaningless body imo even if it does go ahead. Football league is in the strongest position to make a difference and even they're scared to take on the big 6 as it may mean losing the crumbs they currently get.

We just agreed that a whole 1.4% extra gets filtered down to the lower divisions with the new TV deal (another time football could have put it's foot down. TV needs football not the other way round) which frankly stinks.

Where were the government when the EPL was set up which is basically the same thing the big 6 want to do with the ESL... don't recall an outcry then
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HarryofOz wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 7:45 am Independent regulator? What does that even mean.

I can just imagine the outcry at their very first decision/ruling - 'people who know nothing about football and aren't involved in the game making decisions from their ivory towers'

As for the government passing legislation to stop teams from leaving the 'pyramid' - what are they going to do? Imprison potential players and administrators? How can they stop a legal structure that is set up in another country?

As long as the rewards outshine the punishments, there is no stopping the ESL or equivalent.

The only thing that can be done is for the Premier League, FA and other bodies to ban those who leave from participating in their comps. That may discourage them from leaving, but I don't see how it can be legally stopped.
You speak the truth, Harry. Honestly, I think the pure rage of the fanbases and stands taken by players and managers was all that was needed to stop that juggernaut in its tracks. Any talk of independent regulation and arbitrary punishments beyond those meted out for breaking official rules is exactly what isn't needed - it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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Smudge3920 wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 3:28 am A great article, and it is so good to see top ex prem league players becoming vocal in the support of the fans. Rumour has it since that article was released, the momentum is picking up with even more support of ex players... all good stuff.
Over a 100,000 signatures achieved so now the goalposts have moved & it becomes a parliamentary debate if this fiasco raises it's ugly head again in the future.
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Be interesting to see what would happen to Football clubs without TV money based on the fact most are in massively over their heads financially. No other business would even contemplate the blueprint footy works too.. Complete madness apart for a handful who would survive.
The majority would go bust immediately...
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Most of the Championship down would survive, they get f**k all from the TV money. Think it's 88% to the prem and 12 % shared between the other 70 clubs plus I'd assume some filtering down to the non leagues.
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faaip wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 2:37 pm Most of the Championship down would survive, they get f**k all from the TV money. Think it's 88% to the prem and 12 % shared between the other 70 clubs plus I'd assume some filtering down to the non leagues.
Don't quote me ,but most championship clubs and below were fucked without filter down money plus no gate receipts and beer +pie money during the pandemic hence the premier rethink and redistribution.
Football has long since been a spectator sport for the season ticket holder etc.
12% of alot = a lot.
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The six Premier League clubs involved in the European Super League (ESL) have agreed to make a combined "goodwill" payment of £22m.

Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham wanted to form a breakaway league.

Should they attempt a similar project again, the clubs will be fined £25m each and have 30 points deducted

Meanwhile, Uefa has temporarily paused disciplinary proceedings against Juventus, Barcelona and Real Madrid.

They are the only three clubs from the 12 that signed up that are yet to accept any punishment or renounce the ESL.

European football's governing body had opened disciplinary proceedings against them in May.

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In other words the Big Six got away with it

Should have gone with the 30 points deducted & £25m fine

Now that would have been hilarious :lol:
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1964white wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:11 pm The six Premier League clubs involved in the European Super League (ESL) have agreed to make a combined "goodwill" payment of £22m.

Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham wanted to form a breakaway league.

Should they attempt a similar project again, the clubs will be fined £25m each and have 30 points deducted

Meanwhile, Uefa has temporarily paused disciplinary proceedings against Juventus, Barcelona and Real Madrid.

They are the only three clubs from the 12 that signed up that are yet to accept any punishment or renounce the ESL.

European football's governing body had opened disciplinary proceedings against them in May.

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In other words the Big Six got away with it

Should have gone with the 30 points deducted & £25m fine

Now that would have been hilarious :lol:
Just stinks of corruption Leon. The authorities had a golden opportunity to put the boot into the six and just gave them a nudge and a wink.
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Spot on.

The authorities totally bottled this again.

Pathetic
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White Riot wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:20 pm Just stinks of corruption Leon. The authorities had a golden opportunity to put the boot into the six and just gave them a nudge and a wink.
Imagine if those six started on minus 30 points next season :-D
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1964white wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:02 pm Imagine if those six started on minus 30 points next season :-D
Should have relegated all 6 and let them get booted up in the air by Millwall and Cardiff :lol:
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White Riot wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:43 pm Should have relegated all 6 and let them get booted up in the air by Millwall and Cardiff :lol:
At least it would have eliminated diving for innocuous challenges, once grounded the soft tw*ts would never have got up.
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