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Good Morning. It's Monday 22nd February, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Meslier's agony piles on Leeds pressure

An outrageous own goal 25 minutes from time saw Wolverhampton Wanderers leaping Leeds and sent Leeds crashing to their second consecutive defeat. The only goal of the game was orchestrated by Wolves 'beast' Adama Traore. His surging run left Luke Ayling in his midst. Pascal Struijk did his best to rescue the situation but the former Barcelona apprentice struck a sweet right footed thunderbolt cannoning off the upright, and struck a sprawling Meslier on his back. The cruel deflection saw the ball trickle into the back of the net.

Leeds had their fair share of chances. Wolves shot stopper Patricio had to be at his best to keep Leeds at bay.
Minutes after Wolves took the lead, Leeds should have been level. Harrison released Bamford down the left wing. Leeds leading scorer made a bee line for Patricio's goal shrugging off the desperate attempts from the Wolves defenders before smashing the ball into the back of the net.

Unfortunately for Leeds the goal was disallowed. Ironically, VAR told the referee to review the footage, which he did for a few seconds before ruling Bamford's effort out. The Leeds No 9 took to social media after the game to vent his anger (and risk disciplinary action with the following tweet...

Gutted for the lads tonight, robbed of a point but at least it’s “mAkInG tHe GaMe BeTtEr” we go again Tuesday
How can the offside rule be simplified to make the decision making easier, and the game more exciting?





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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Monday 22nd February) - Meslier's agony piles on Leeds pressure

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Morning EB et all

Yet again we suffer at the hands of VAR, no doubt the rules will be changed just in time to make sure it goes the other way against probably against the Villians :evil:

VAR was brought in to help the Ref if he made a CLEAR and OBVIOUS Error i.e. the guy was two yards off side, or a defender man handles a player to the floor in the penalty area or perhaps Grealish dives for the 100th time in a game and he doesn't actually get a free kick :shock:

Bamford's "offside" goals (Palace & Wolves) if you have to spend 10 minutes drawing multicoloured lines on an image it is neither clear or obvious so why the need for VAR to get involved :duno:

I'm starting to agree with the VAR is ruining the game brigade
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Except without VAR sticking their noses in it still would have been ruled offside...
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faaip wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:16 am Except without VAR sticking their noses in it still would have been ruled offside...
How?.. It would have been a wrong call by the linesman also....look at the wolves players back foot...and no linsman in the world can see that as offside from that distance.
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Smudge3920 wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:30 am How?...look at the wolves players back foot...and no linsman in the world can see that as offside from that distance.
Because it was flagged offside.
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Irish Ian wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:31 am Because it was flagged offside.
And the linesman was wrong also...
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How can the offside rule be simplified to make the decision making easier?

An excellent idea that has been put forward on this forum previously by a couple of very intelligent posters’ is that offsides should only be decided by the positions of the players’ feet. This would certainly help the decision making process in that it would be easier to judge by using the VAR method of an artificial line drawn across the ground parallel with the goal line. It would also be a lot fairer as the fact that a human body naturally leans in the direction of movement can give the defender at least a couple of feet advantage.

How can the game be made more exciting? I don’t think it can with VAR. It is always going to require the game to be stopped and the particular incident assessed for as long as it takes but the above suggestion would, imo, make any offside decision quicker.
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How can the offside rule be simplified to make the decision making easier, and the game more exciting?
They can't because whatever the offside rule is - any part of the body, half the body, clear daylight or anything else - there will always be borderline decisions that could go either way.

The most important thing is that VAR does not make the rules, VAR enforces the rules.

Before VAR came into being you'd get endless replays of videos and use of still-camera shots to 'prove' that the officials were wrong and to put the boot into officials even though they had to make their decisions in real time without the benefits of such technology.

In fact the only way to make offside officiating easier is to get rid of it altogether.
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Byebyegeegee wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:35 am
The feet is the obvious and best solution ...VAR is always going to come down in favour of the defender as he is leaning away from the goal the attacker leaning into it...
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Smudge3920 wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:34 am And the linesman was wrong also...
It looked offside in real time, if it wasn't or VAR no one would be whinging.

As for VAR being simplified in cricket there is the principle of umpires call. It may have applications for football.
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Irish Ian wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:01 am It looked offside in real time, if it wasn't or VAR no one would be whinging.
No point arguing over it ...You say it did ...I say it didnt ...end of that debate
As for VAR being simplified in cricket there is the principle of umpires call. It may have applications for football.
You mean like pre VAR?.. The ref was asked to look at it ...could have over turned it... but he didnt..IMO the officials as they work in teams, stick together and IMO have been ordered to make it work...
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Smudge3920 wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:30 am How?.. It would have been a wrong call by the linesman also....look at the wolves players back foot...and no linsman in the world can see that as offside from that distance.
Linesman made the call of offside, no VAR and it stays with the linesman. Still offside
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Do away with VAR for offsides and go back to letting the lines person make the decision with the instruction that to only flag if the offside is both CLEAR AND OBVIOUS. If not, allow play to continue -easy.
And that's the same for both teams.
Time to get rid of all this lines across the screens bollocks.
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Chilli D wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:16 am Do away with VAR for offsides and go back to letting the lines person make the decision with the instruction that to only flag if the offside is both CLEAR AND OBVIOUS. If not, allow play to continue -easy.
And that's the same for both teams.
Time to get rid of all this lines across the screens bollocks.
The terms clear and obvious are subjective

And you still need a rule of what offside means
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faaip wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:15 am Linesman made the call of offside, no VAR and it stays with the linesman. Still offside
Reliance of VAR just another factor ... no VAR not a linesman in the world would have called that... unless he wanted a pitch invasion...his life wouldnt be worth living...
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What about ban offside?
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Undone by a blooper reel goal. What happened next on QOS. Not a lot you can do about freak goals and that's a couple already this season, this one being particularly costly. We go again tomorrow with the same attitude and commitment and see where it takes us.
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Ellandback1 wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:43 am What about ban offside?
Ok work on that one... how about the same as Hockey i.e. the two line pass;
First you would have to have standard pitches throughout the league (they arnt at present)... So lets say 110 yards long and 75 yards wide...

The center line (obviously) 55 yards... you have a second line at 75 yards in each half... now if you pass out of your own half and the ball crosses the 55 and 75 yard lines without touching one of your own players its offside...so now you have to play the ball in each phase of the pitch...will force defenders back and cut out all the bs over offside rule...

Try bringing that one in :lol: ... but it can work
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Smudge3920 wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:37 am Reliance of VAR just another factor ... no VAR not a linesman in the world would have called that... unless he wanted a pitch invasion...his life wouldnt be worth living...

But he did flag it! Who says he wouldnt had their been no VAR? We've seen plenty of calls like that flagged before VAR came along.

I thought it was offside when I watched it live.
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YorkshireSquare wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:00 am But he did flag it! Who says he wouldnt had their been no VAR? We've seen plenty of calls like that flagged before VAR came along.

I thought it was offside when I watched it live.
Yes I know he did!... Again you think it was I think it wasnt ...IMO no way could he tell that was offside from where he was at ground level.
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