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Do Leeds over-elaborate in front of goal?

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If so, who are the main culprits?

Is the cause coaching or cowardice?

Are the lads afraid to assume the shooting responsibility for whatever reason?

Would an unapologetic shoot on sight policy result in more goals?
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I thought we were one of the most direct teams and I think we scored more from outside the box than everyone
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That doesn't answer the question Faaip.
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Carrick Dave wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:54 pm If so, who are the main culprits?

Is the cause coaching or cowardice?

Are the lads afraid to assume the shooting responsibility for whatever reason?

Would an unapologetic shoot on sight policy result in more goals?
Costa certainly had 2 chances to shoot tonight and ended up losing the ball....Shooting on sight does not necassarily result in more goals, it can but what it does is make the defenders think, and could cause some unbalnce to their system... I think a shoot on sight policy is a good thing, Dallas had 2 good efforts thwarted tonight...Faaip is right we did score more from outside the box than anyone last season.
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Carrick Dave wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:54 pm If so, who are the main culprits?

Is the cause coaching or cowardice?

Are the lads afraid to assume the shooting responsibility for whatever reason?

Would an unapologetic shoot on sight policy result in more goals?
I thought there was a bit of that on Saturday, especially in the second half.

Last season Leeds did score the most goals from outside the area in the Prem so it isn't ability, but we do try and score the perfect goal sometimes.

Sometimes it works for us though.

Check back on our second goal v Spurs last season, we had the chance to be more direct and seemed to miss the opportunity then Harrison and Ali combined to carve them open on the left for Bamford to finish.

Culprits?

Costa and Roberts rarely shoot.
Lack of ability or coaching? I dunno
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I would say lack of confidence at times. When you're low on confidence you don't want to try the shot so you look for the pass when the shot is probabl ythe better option or you take an extra touch to try to make the chance easier but end up making it harder.
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weasel wrote:

I would say lack of confidence at times. When you're low on confidence you don't want to try the shot so you look for the pass when the shot is probabl ythe better option or you take an extra touch to try to make the chance easier but end up making it harder.
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weasel wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:51 pm I would say lack of confidence at times. When you're low on confidence you don't want to try the shot so you look for the pass when the shot is probabl ythe better option or you take an extra touch to try to make the chance easier but end up making it harder.
Definately in the case of Costa and to some extent Roberts...I have pretty well given up on Costa, it has just been to long now...Roberts I still have hope for.
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I don’t see why we don’t shoot on site more often instead of trying to be too intricate in a very crowded penalty box. If the shot is on target, which it should be, then at the very least it will make the goalkeeper work, it could get a deflection that wrong foots the goalkeeper or it could get a deflection that rebounds to one of our players in a better position.

What I hate to see though, during a promising attack, is the total anticlimax of someone taking a shot which is miles off target and fly’s harmlessly 10ft over the crossbar.
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If Leeds over elaborate anywhere its in the defensive 1/3 and causes no end of issues. Been a problem since Bielsas' arrival. Thought we did OK in front of goal last season.
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Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
The thing about Leeds is, they always try to walk it in!
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YorkshireSquare wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:16 pm Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
The thing about Leeds is, they always try to walk it in!
A horrible watch Adam.
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Yes , I watched the entire game.
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Mick Jones shoulder wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:00 pm If Leeds over elaborate anywhere its in the defensive 1/3 and causes no end of issues. Been a problem since Bielsas' arrival. Thought we did OK in front of goal last season.
Exactly this MJS. I watched the lowlights from Ajax and deary me wtf were Ayling and Meslier doing? Both need to wake up and get a bit more of a sense of urgency. Meslier cost us a few goals the other night with his sloppiness, even that long range shot should have been saved.

Bielsa needs to get it through his sconce that Ayling ain't a centre back and Koch ain't a DCM for starters :x
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Yes, at times we do over elaborate and miss the opportunity for an incisive pass or shot.

If so, who are the main culprits?

Harrison, Costa, and Roberts often does take a shot but it's usually straight at the goalie, but you could say that about all of them. One of the biggest problems is not putting a good early cross in. If Rodrigo is our number ten then he should be capable of unlocking defences. If he's not capable of this, and we don't get a 10 in, then we've got major problems on the creative front.

Is the cause coaching or cowardice?

Maybe just a lack of confidence, and lack of quality is also a factor. You can improve confidence, but natural talent is not something you can coach into players.

Are the lads afraid to assume the shooting responsibility for whatever reason?

Some of them are shot shy, Costa in particular. A real disappointment that guy, and let's hope and pray that Rodrigo is not another flop, cos the jury's out for me on him :duno:

Would an unapologetic shoot on sight policy result in more goals?

Well you can't just always take shots as you're play just becomes one dimensional and the opposition can set up to just close down and block shots. We need to have a mixture of intricate play to unlock defences (created by a number 10) and a direct approach. Gotta keep the opposition guessing.

For a rugby analogy, an up and under is a great tactic in greasy conditions, or as a surprise to the opposition, but if you're gonna boot the ball to the opposition one every occasion as the Lions did last weekend against the Springboks, they know what to expect and you're lost any element of nous or surprise, hence they got humped :x
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YorkshireSquare wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:16 pm Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
The thing about Leeds is, they always try to walk it in!
Just watched that episode last night, total classic! :roflmao:
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mothbanquet wrote: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:51 am Just watched that episode last night, total classic! :roflmao:
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mothbanquet wrote: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:51 am Just watched that episode last night, total classic! :roflmao:

Glad someone got the reference!
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Do we try to over elaborate?

I don't think so. We have players more than happy to have a crack. I think our issue is we sometimes struggle to open up space in the middle of the pitch, Saiz was the best at it, Pablo could thread the ball through the eye of a needle but I'm not convinced yet Rodrigo is the answer to the question. Still looking for that No.10, I hear there is a good one avaialble?
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