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Saturday 23rd September 3:00pm | Elland Road


Leeds face their third league match in six days, with the visit of Watford on Saturday afternoon.

The Whites are still searching for their first league victory of the season (at home), but hope they can stir up a hornet's nest by sending Valerien Ismael's men back to Hertfordshire empty handed. This will be far from easy, against a team who recently beat Birmingham City, the only Championship outfit to have defeated the Whites this season. Regardless, Leeds are a point, and five places better off than their opponents, and hope to extend that lead even further come tea-time on Saturday.

Leeds welcome Crysencio Summerville back into the starting line up, after being rested midweek (according to Daniel Farke's post match comments midweek), but with Wilfred Gnonto out for some time, Dan James will likely keep his place in the starting line up too.

Sam Byram may be recalled at the expense of Luke Ayling. The Leeds veteran has already played over 700 minutes of game time this season, and could be due a rest. As could Archie Gray. The 17yo been in fine form this term, but Farke will be conscious not to over-play him. With Ilia Gruev and Glen Kamara at his disposal, Farke has some tough decisions to make, both in midfield, and defence.





With Joe Roden suspended (for one game), following his red card at Hull, the gaffer needs to decide whether to go with youth or experience! Cooper obviously has the maturity, but after six weeks on the treatment table, looked a little rusty during his 30 minute cameo role midweek.

The other option would be Charlie Cresswell. He is the natural right-sided option, meaning Farke wouldn't need to move Pascal Struijk out of position; but the England U21 International has only started one league game this season (away at Birmingham City), and may also not be up to speed.

Stuart Dallas is back in training, but after an 18 month lay off, is still a long way off from a return to action. Junior Firpo may make the squad (albeit the bench) for the first time this season, after overcoming his latest knee injury.

Striker Vakoun Issouf Bayo could return to action for the Hornets, having featured off the bench against West Brom midweek in their 2-2 draw. Tom Ince and Matheus Martins are both likely to keep their spots on the wings after scoring. Defender Ryan Porteous is a doubt after being withdrawn in the second half of Wednesday's match with a knock.


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I believe their just called Watford not Watford Town :)
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Whatever happens with our centre back partnership it won't be up to speed

Cooper not up to speed coming off injury
Cresswell not up to speed having spent a few games on the bench
Struijk not up to speed playing on the right (and it does make a difference)

As someone that absolutely swears by defensive continuity over anything else. I'd not move Pascal out of the left sides CB position

That though may mean absolutely nothing if a fit Cooper ousts Pascal from the starting line up when Rodon returns

I've a feeling Farke's pecking order will make Marcelo's look like nothing. Will be really happy if I'm wrong. Looking forward to finding out

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whiteinfrance wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:46 am I believe their just called Watford not Watford Town :)
You're right!! :shock: :lol:
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The Subhuman wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:03 am Whatever happens with our centre back partnership it won't be up to speed

Cooper not up to speed coming off injury
Cresswell not up to speed having spent a few games on the bench
Struijk not up to speed playing on the right (and it does make a difference)

As someone that absolutely swears by defensive continuity over anything else. I'd not move Pascal out of the left sides CB position

That though may mean absolutely nothing if a fit Cooper ousts Pascal from the starting line up when Rodon returns

I've a feeling Farke's pecking order will make Marcelo's look like nothing. Will be really happy if I'm wrong. Looking forward to finding out

Pascal is #3 in my season player ratings behind Ampadu and Gray and one of only 5 players in this burgeoning season to start all 7 games.
Ampadu is very good in defence!!!!
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Ellandback1 wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:25 am Ampadu is very good in defence!!!!
But why would you move him, that would make no sense at all. Actually if DF is dead set starting Coop then Cresswell would be the best partner for him...
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Ellandback1 wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:25 am Ampadu is very good in defence!!!!
We were poor in midfield for the first 45 minutes when Ampadu played as a CB vs Shrewsbury, as soon as Ethan was moved back into his customary position for the second-half we totally controlled the match.

No need to make unnecessary changes when we have Cooper or Cresswell to call on.
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There’s zero chance of Ampadu playing at CB, and quite rightly too.

One of Cooper or Cresswell will partner Struijk, probably the former, and hopefully it won’t make too much difference against Watford at home.
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Barlow Boy wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:39 pm There’s zero chance of Ampadu playing at CB, and quite rightly too.

One of Cooper or Cresswell will partner Struijk, probably the former, and hopefully it won’t make too much difference against Watford at home.
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Barlow Boy wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:39 pm There’s zero chance of Ampadu playing at CB, and quite rightly too.

One of Cooper or Cresswell will partner Struijk, probably the former, and hopefully it won’t make too much difference against Watford at home.
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Jaydog wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:48 pm Confident Kev?
I hope Kev is right :duno:
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1964white wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:50 pm I hope Kev is right :duno:
A losing record overall v Watford. Won the two most recent though.
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Jaydog wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:48 pm Confident Kev?
I am as it goes, but we will have to take our chances when they come up.

They don’t concede many, although they have got worse of late and if they ‘park the bus’ then that chances to conversion ratio becomes even more important.

I’ve gone 2-0 in the prediction comp, and I don’t think that’ll be far out (hence why I put that prediction in :) ).
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Barlow Boy wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:56 pm I am as it goes, but we will have to take our chances when they come up.

They don’t concede many, although they have got worse of late and if they ‘park the bus’ then that chances to conversion ratio becomes even more important.

I’ve gone 2-0 in the prediction comp, and I don’t think that’ll be far out (hence why I put that prediction in :) ).
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Charlie Cresswell is a natural right sided central defender. For me he is the backup to Rodon. it's time to find out if Farke trusts him. I don't like the idea of moving Struijk to accommodate Cooper. Keep players in their best positions whenever possible.

Byrum in for Ayling is a no brainer.

Starting Eleven:

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Byrum------------------Cresswell-----------------------------------Struijk---------------------Shackleton

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James--------------------------------------------Piroe-------------------------------------------Summerville

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BlackHillsPaul wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 3:39 pm Charlie Cresswell is a natural right sided central defender. For me he is the backup to Rodon. it's time to find out if Farke trusts him. I don't like the idea of moving Struijk to accommodate Cooper. Keep players in their best positions whenever possible.

Byrum in for Ayling is a no brainer.

Starting Eleven:

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Byrum------------------Cresswell-----------------------------------Struijk---------------------Shackleton

---------------------------------Gray--------------------------------------Ampadu--------------------------------

James--------------------------------------------Piroe-------------------------------------------Summerville

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Has there been some sort of suggestion he’s dropping Ayling ?
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Barlow Boy wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 3:43 pm Has there been some sort of suggestion he’s dropping Ayling ?
I don't think DF will "drop" Ayling. He values his leadership too much. But he has suggested rotation to rest him. DF may not feel this is the match for that. But I don't think Ayling has looked good the last two matches. I would rest him. And since it was MY starting eleven that's what I did. ;-)
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BlackHillsPaul wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 3:59 pm I don't think DF will "drop" Ayling. He values his leadership too much. But he has suggested rotation to rest him. DF may not feel this is the match for that. But I don't think Ayling has looked good the last two matches. I would rest him. And since it was MY starting eleven that's what I did. ;-)
Thanks for the clarification.

Personally, I think Ayling will start tomorrow, but time will tell.
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The Subhuman wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:37 am But why would you move him, that would make no sense at all. Actually if DF is dead set starting Coop then Cresswell would be the best partner for him...
I'd move him as he would be our top defender, and Cooper isn't fit, and Cressy has barely played. We have two new midfield recruits to bed in....
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Shackleton------------------Ampadu-----------------------------------Struijk--------------------Byram

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Summerville--------------------------------------------Piroe----------------------------------------Anthony

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