The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Tuesday 21st November) - McAvennie: Leeds should cash in on Gray

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Good Morning. It's Tuesday 21st November, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road…


Leeds should cash in on Gray

Leeds should cash in on teenage sensation Archie Gray; that's according to former West Ham and Scotland forward Frank McAvennie.

A host of top flight European clubs have been linked with the fledgling utility player, after breaking through the ranks to become one of the first names on Daniel Farke's team sheet this season. At 17, his potential is mind blowing, but we must remember that few reach their full potential

Media sources are suggesting Gray could fetch as much as £50m, which if an offer of that magnitude were to come in, would be difficult to turn down, especially if he was loaned back to Leeds! According to McAvennie…

I think what they’ve got to do is sell him. Take the money, but keep him on loan. He’s not going to get into the Liverpool team, he’s not going to get into the Everton team at the moment.

It’s the best thing for everyone. It’s a long way to the end of the season and his value may go up. I don’t think anyone is going to buy him in January. I wouldn’t imagine if he’s doing that well unless you spend decent money.

If he’s not ready for the Premier League, whoever’s wanting him, come and get him now and loan him back. That’s what I would try and do because then you get some money for January. It’s a win-win for them. Farke will know what he needs.

Three Leeds players make up the top ten for assists this season

Three Leeds players make up the top ten for assists this season, with their league tally for the season reaching 20. Only Ipwich Town (21) have created more.

Former Leeds reject Leif Davis leads the way on seven, whilst Rutter and Summerville are joint third on five-a-piece, with Dan James seventh on four. It's been a while since we've seen any creativity from the Whites, and whilst we must remember that there's a massive gulf of talent between the top flight and the Championship.

Even so, Leeds have the second youngest starting XI in the Championship (24.4yrs), just behind Sunderland (23.3yrs) and are improving all the time. It's also important to remember that up until three months ago, most of the team hadn't played together, and should only get stronger as the season progresses.





Solid defence making Meslier's life easier

New data from fbref.com have revealed that Illan Meslier has been the least troubled shot stopper in the Championship!

The 23 year old Frenchman has re-found his confidence since being given a vote of confidence by Daniel Farke pre-season, and with the help of a solid back-line, has not disappointed. This coincided with a tactical reshuffle, a change of goalkeeping coach, and obviously dropping a division.

Meslier has had to face just 43 shots on target this season over the opening sixteen (league) games. To put this in perspective, Friday's opponents Rotherham have faced 91. Before the first weekend of September, Leeds had gone 22 games without a clean sheet, and now they have six, one less than Watford and West Brom.

[mentalcase]

Morning all.
Blank McAvennie just another in a long line of washed up pundits coming out with nonsense.
Of course Archie is good enough for either Liverpool sides, in fact, he is better than half the Everton team now.
Until we receive any firm bids I’ll leave this topic to the chip paper.

Great to see we have players making assists again, although I thought we didn’t do too badly creating, it’s always been a finishing issue in recent years.

Long may Meslier continue to shine, and all good goalkeepers have a solid defence in front of them, long may it continue.

[Clitheroe White]

Sell Gray - Certainly not this season. Depends on where we end up (prem / champ?) what happens next.

If Prem then we should keep and build. If Champ - then the sell and loan back idea could work.

Al caveated with my heart says keep him whatever.

BTW - That photo angle of the Meslier's save makes it clear how impressive that save actually was!

[Kennyb41]

I feel it's hard to talk about what we 'need' to sell, or how much money we have to buy what DF needs to strengthen.

What indicators have we got that the 49ers - A. Have no money or, B. Have £millions ?

Aren't we currently getting our house in order, the JKA debacle ? Haven't we still to be rid of the Orta shite ? Isn't DF currently working through what he can work with and what he can't ? Do we know whether some of the loaned out will be sent back 'return to sender' ?
When they are, do we know if DF can work them into his team or not ?

Once DF has a clean slate and has decided - "Right, this is it, this is the group i can take forward and work with, now i need 7 more players that'll probably cost in the region of at least a £70m spend to give us a chance of competing in the Prem and not be in a relegation battle, which i can't really 100% guarantee, but i feel there should be about 6-8 worse teams than us in the Prem after that"

Isn't it only when all the shite the 49ers inherited has been muddled through and sorted, and we then need them to put their hands in their pocket, that we can truly judge them ?

Atm i feel DF is still muddling his way through myself, Leeds aren't conceding because he's got us on the front foot like he should be doing with the current crop of players he has at his disposal, and has probably turned our front 4 into the best in the Championship.

Along with our Goalie, defence and Midfield, they will NOT, i repeat NOT, be anywhere near the best in the Prem.

And ALL that above ^ - Is if we get there.

So basically, I've no idea if we HAVE to sell Gray, or not.
I've got a bit of an idea whether the front 4 could hold their own in the Prem.
And Meslier - I already know about.

[WhiteRose]

Sick to death of hearing about poor old Everton to be honest, if it’s not the grossly unjust penalty the authorities have dared to impose on them for breaking the rules it’s them being constantly linked to our players despite not having a pot to piss in.

[Cjay]

Sick to death of hearing about poor old Everton to be honest, if it’s not the grossly unjust penalty the authorities have dared to impose on them for breaking the rules it’s them being constantly linked to our players despite not having a pot to piss in.

Sick to death of this narrative about aw poor Everton.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 49122.html

Basically lied, used covid as an excuse to post losses twice as big as anyone else and have been leaking millions for years.

Now it's caught up with them.

It's not a conspiracy and they are lucky to have got off so lightly and used a global pandemic where millions died to hide behind.

Scummy club who used a pandemic to try and cover up the financial shitshow they created.

Fans are deluded as well with all this poor us stuff.

Yes Manchester City and Chelsea need hammering as well.

But Everton aren't innocent victims.

[1964white]

MvAvennie who?

[Chilli D]

Sick to death of this narrative about aw poor Everton.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 49122.html

Basically lied, used covid as an excuse to post losses twice as big as anyone else and have been leaking millions for years.

Now it's caught up with them.

It's not a conspiracy and they are lucky to have got off so lightly and used a global pandemic where millions died to hide behind.

Scummy club who used a pandemic to try and cover up the financial shitshow they created.

Fans are deluded as well with all this poor us stuff.

Yes Manchester City and Chelsea need hammering as well.

But Everton aren't innocent victims.

Yep typical bin dippers. Blame everyone but themselves. People seem to forget, we got deducted 15 points.

[WhiteRose]

Sick to death of this narrative about aw poor Everton.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 49122.html

Basically lied, used covid as an excuse to post losses twice as big as anyone else and have been leaking millions for years.

Now it's caught up with them.

It's not a conspiracy and they are lucky to have got off so lightly and used a global pandemic where millions died to hide behind.

Scummy club who used a pandemic to try and cover up the financial shitshow they created.

Fans are deluded as well with all this poor us stuff.

Yes Manchester City and Chelsea need hammering as well.

But Everton aren't innocent victims.

Amen to all that, football fans love nothing more than a bit of whataboutery- they have got off pretty lucky with this so far - probably be out of the relegation zone by Christmas if not much sooner.

[White Riot]

McAvennie should stick to what he's good at, stuffing porridge and haggis in his daft sweaty sock gob.

Don't need thick Jocks commenting on English football.

[Barlow Boy]

McAvennie should stick to what he's good at, stuffing porridge and haggis in his daft sweaty sock gob.

Don't need thick Jocks commenting on English football.

Say what you think mate

[White Riot]

Say what you think mate

I usually do BB, and them that don't like it can go and sob over their Bielsa photos

[malcolmw]

Morning all.
Blank McAvennie just another in a long line of washed up pundits coming out with nonsense.
Of course Archie is good enough for either Liverpool sides, in fact, he is better than half the Everton team now.
Until we receive any firm bids I’ll leave this topic to the chip paper.

Great to see we have players making assists again, although I thought we didn’t do too badly creating, it’s always been a finishing issue in recent years.

Long may Meslier continue to shine, and all good goalkeepers have a solid defence in front of them, long may it continue.

Sell Gray..... 1 word .... Nonsense

[Musicman1965]

The clue is in the name if you want to take this seriously.....FWANK

[andrewjohnsmith]

I'm sure 49ers enterprise are hanging on every word from Frank McAvennie

[andrewjohnsmith]

McAvennie should stick to what he's good at, stuffing porridge and haggis in his daft sweaty sock gob.

Don't need thick Jocks commenting on English football.

I watch ESPN FC over here - Stevie Nicol and Craig Burley every day

[andrewjohnsmith]

I feel it's hard to talk about what we 'need' to sell, or how much money we have to buy what DF needs to strengthen.

What indicators have we got that the 49ers - A. Have no money or, B. Have £millions ?

Aren't we currently getting our house in order, the JKA debacle ? Haven't we still to be rid of the Orta shite ? Isn't DF currently working through what he can work with and what he can't ? Do we know whether some of the loaned out will be sent back 'return to sender' ?
When they are, do we know if DF can work them into his team or not ?

Once DF has a clean slate and has decided - "Right, this is it, this is the group i can take forward and work with, now i need 7 more players that'll probably cost in the region of at least a £70m spend to give us a chance of competing in the Prem and not be in a relegation battle, which i can't really 100% guarantee, but i feel there should be about 6-8 worse teams than us in the Prem after that"

Isn't it only when all the shite the 49ers inherited has been muddled through and sorted, and we then need them to put their hands in their pocket, that we can truly judge them ?

Atm i feel DF is still muddling his way through myself, Leeds aren't conceding because he's got us on the front foot like he should be doing with the current crop of players he has at his disposal, and has probably turned our front 4 into the best in the Championship.

Along with our Goalie, defence and Midfield, they will NOT, i repeat NOT, be anywhere near the best in the Prem.

And ALL that above ^ - Is if we get there.

So basically, I've no idea if we HAVE to sell Gray, or not.
I've got a bit of an idea whether the front 4 could hold their own in the Prem.
And Meslier - I already know about.

That's much more insightful than these thick TV pundits

f**k em all. All I listen to are the real Leeds pundits = Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, Adam Pope, Beren Cross

The rest of them don't know anything and just throw out comments for a paycheck

[White Riot]

I watch ESPN FC over here - Stevie Nicol and Craig Burley every day

I often catch those two on match streams, and they are awful

[Kennyb41]

That's much more insightful than these thick TV pundits

f**k em all. All I listen to are the real Leeds pundits = Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, Adam Pope, Beren Cross

The rest of them don't know anything and just throw out comments for a paycheck

That's why it's known as 'clickbait' Andrew.

You have to take them all with a pinch of salt, but when there is any proper true news to be had, these sites are usually first on the ball, so the advice being to just cipher through it best you can, some come true, most don't.

[1964white]

McAvennie should stick to what he's good at, stuffing porridge and haggis in his daft sweaty sock gob.

Stop having a go at us daily porridge eaters, James