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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Tuesday 2nd April) Leeds escape mauling after late drama

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Good Morning. It's Tuesday 2nd April, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Leeds escape mauling after late drama

There was late drama at Elland Road last night, as a moment of madness cost Hull City a share of the spoils, severely denting their play off aspirations. With two minutes left on the clock, Tigers defender Regan Slater bought down Crysencio Summerville on the edge of the by-line, deep within their penalty area. The challenge was totally futile; as Joseph (the only Leeds player in the box) was outnumbered by three defenders.

Up until that point, Liam Rosenior's side were more than a match for Leeds, who quite frankly looked shot of confidence, disjointed in midfield and skittish in possession; yet the night started so well for the Whites! Leeds took an early lead through Sam Byram, bundling the ball over the line after Allsop could only parry Summerville's rasping drive (after good work from Rutter). Having not won in their last five games, you'd imagine going behind so early would have effected Hull's morale, but it was Leeds who looked shaky.

There were just too many players having an off day and when Bamford missed a glaring sitter from point blank range, signs of discontent filtered around Elland Road. The crowd were quieter than normal, a sure sign that something was up, cue, Hulls equaliser on 34 minutes! They had chances to take the lead, with Philogene and Seri going agonisingly close! As time wore on though, Leeds started to get back in the game. They could have re-taken the lead with ten minutes left on the clock when Firpo picked out second half substitute Matteo Joseph in a packed penalty area, only for his effort to graze the woodwork.

With two minutes left on the clock, and Leeds automatic promotion hopes hanging by a thread, came the penalty decision. It was clear cut, Referee Josh Smith had no option but to point to the spot, and after wrestling the ball out of Piroe's hands, Summerville coolly dispatched his spot kick down the middle. To rub salt into their wounds, Dan James scored a third in the dying seconds from the halfway line after catching Allsop in no-mans-land after coming up for a corner. 43 out of a possible 45 points should be what dreams are made of, so why does this feel like a nightmare?





Time to give Joseph a chance

Bamford's glaring miss from point blank range was the talk of social media last night. The 30 year old was once again ineffective in his role as lone striker! During his 72 minutes of game time, he completed just seven out of a total of eleven passes, and lost possession six times. Just like the Watford game, he was a passenger, and did little to contribute to the team; Leeds may have well have been playing with nine outfield players. Why Daniel Farke hasn't given Mateo Joseph, a younger, fitter, faster and dare I say hungrier version of the one time England flop is puzzling!

I understand that Daniel Farke doesn't want to deviate from a settled line-up unless he has to, but you have to take into consideration a players form!




Why didn't we strengthen

It's easy to blame the International break for Leeds sudden loss of form, but in truth, should they have bought in more reinforcements during the January transfer window, especially bearing in mind Pascal Struijk's injury! Championship rules dictate that clubs are allowed a maximum of five loanee's, yet Leeds only have three (Rodon, Anthony and Roberts). Injuries to Roberts, Gruev and Gnonto have shown frailties in Farke's squad, with a reshuffle needed last night to plug the gap in midfield!

In truth, Leeds have had far fewer injuries than in previous campaigns, which is surprising when you consider many will have played 50 games this season! Once you've tallied International appearances this season, players like Ampadu and Rodon could be breaking the 5000 minute mark; what if either got injured?


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Morning all.
Another 3 points from another poorly played game, but thats how team prosper in the end, we are risiliant if nothing else, we are good value for our league position, most other years would see us clear at the top.
We weren't at our best, but despite conceding possession to Hull, they did very little with it, only dreadful (again) finishing from bamford would have seen us coast the game, as it was, it went to the very end, and like I say, good teams can still dig deep when needed.
Lets not take it away from the boys, (bamford apart) they all dug deep and played theor roles.

I don't think DF will replace bamford, he'll stick by him so we have to put up with it, law of averages say he'll score again soon, but when !! He really needs to be doing better without the ball as well, what a shite player he's become.

Whether we go up or not, we'll need to strengthen, if we won't it shows we aren't strong enough for this league (even though 4 teams with so many points is amazing) if we do go up, well, it's pretty obvious some of this lot won't cut it in the PL.

Luckily for me, I siad we'd score from the break when I saw their keeper go forward and said James' pace would do it, it was more in hope but came off.
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As I walk through these troubled times
When Ipswich and Lester act so smugly
I ask myself Is all hope lost?
And what's the matter with winning ugly?
And each time I feel like this inside,
There's one thing I wanna know:
What's so funny 'bout winning ugly?
Football wise it might be a no show
But what's the matter with winning ugly?
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Folk are unjustly singling out PB when there is a blindingly obvious disconnection to the forward line recently.

But then again, i shouldn't expect most to understand that.

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It's 41 points from 45 (2 draws)
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Sean_Nile wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:10 am As I walk through these troubled times
When Ipswich and Lester act so smugly
I ask myself Is all hope lost?
And what's the matter with winning ugly?
And each time I feel like this inside,
There's one thing I wanna know:
What's so funny 'bout winning ugly?
Football wise it might be a no show
But what's the matter with winning ugly?
There's nothing wrong with winning ugly, but doing it every week and our momentum may fade.
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Clitheroe White wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:16 am There's nothing wrong with winning ugly, but doing it every week and our momentum may fade.
Ipswich have been doing it all season long and it hasn't harmed them it has took them to the top of the table.
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We got through a tough weekend with 4 points. That's a good return based on almost every other metric.
Many of our players have played 3 games in 6 days (plus a good amount of travelling). Our team has had no time to prepare or practice for over 2 weeks.

Yes, they looked tired and I think their will to win pulled us through yesterday. I'm optimistic they now we have 4 days to prepare for Saturday, then we will see a better side start the match vs Coventry. We're right in the mix, 6 games to go, let's try and win them all and by the time we get to Southampton on the last day we are already up. The chances of Ips and Lei winning all theirs too is very slim.
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mentalcase wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:08 am tempFileForShare_20240402-100740.jpg

Morning all.
Another 3 points from another poorly played game, but thats how team prosper in the end, we are risiliant if nothing else, we are good value for our league position, most other years would see us clear at the top.
We weren't at our best, but despite conceding possession to Hull, they did very little with it, only dreadful (again) finishing from bamford would have seen us coast the game, as it was, it went to the very end, and like I say, good teams can still dig deep when needed.
Lets not take it away from the boys, (bamford apart) they all dug deep and played theor roles.

I don't think DF will replace bamford, he'll stick by him so we have to put up with it, law of averages say he'll score again soon, but when !! He really needs to be doing better without the ball as well, what a shite player he's become.

Whether we go up or not, we'll need to strengthen, if we won't it shows we aren't strong enough for this league (even though 4 teams with so many points is amazing) if we do go up, well, it's pretty obvious some of this lot won't cut it in the PL.

Luckily for me, I siad we'd score from the break when I saw their keeper go forward and said James' pace would do it, it was more in hope but came off.

Lend us a tenner.
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My my hey hey
is championship football here to stay
it's better to burn out
than fade away
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The Paddy discussion is clearly a pointless one as DF will start him unless he's injured. Let's not throw joseph into the firing line at this crucial stage of the season.

Paddy misses sitters like this far too often though. More concerning was in the first half he had or won the ball back around our halfway line two or three times and just stood there with the ball allowing Hull to get back. I'm not sure if he was just tired or what, but really should have tried to drive the ball forward.

We don't need to play well these last 6 games, just win! Crucial April coming up!
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danhirons wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:07 am I'm not sure if he was just tired or what, but really should have tried to drive the ball forward.
He was having a debate within himself, would it be possible to use his right foot or not.
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It's difficult to comprehend, we have beaten both Leicester & Ipswich twice but, our position in the league table is not in our own hands as the tractor boys are above us & the foxes have a game in hand.
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Ellandback1 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:45 am 43 out of a possible 45 points should be what dreams are made of, so why does this feel like a nightmare?


Certainly doesn't feel like a nightmare to me. 41 points from 45 is remarkable. Given how far behind we were it is amazing to be in with such a good chance. Not a lot we can do if Ipswich and Leicester keep winning. I would suggest it feels more like a nightmare for Southampton who only a few weeks back looked nailed on for automatic promotion. Where did their 25 match unbeaten run get them, they got into the position where they were favourites to get 2nd and then fell apart. We got to 2nd, and 1st, and have kept going.


Bamford's glaring miss from point blank range was the talk of social media last night. The 30 year old was once again ineffective in his role as lone striker! During his 72 minutes of game time, he completed just seven out of a total of eleven passes, and lost possession six times. Just like the Watford game, he was a passenger, and did little to contribute to the team; Leeds may have well have been playing with nine outfield players. Why Daniel Farke hasn't given Mateo Joseph, a younger, fitter, faster and dare I say hungrier version of the one time England flop is puzzling!

Interesting that Joseph's miss from close range doesn't get the same criticism. Admittedly it was tougher but was still agreat chance.
That said I would like to see Joseph given a start.


Why didn't we strengthen

It's easy to blame the International break for Leeds sudden loss of form, but in truth, should they have bought in more reinforcements during the January transfer window, especially bearing in mind Pascal Struijk's injury! Championship rules dictate that clubs are allowed a maximum of five loanee's, yet Leeds only have three (Rodon, Anthony and Roberts). Injuries to Roberts, Gruev and Gnonto have shown frailties in Farke's squad, with a reshuffle needed last night to plug the gap in midfield!

In truth, Leeds have had far fewer injuries than in previous campaigns, which is surprising when you consider many will have played 50 games this season! Once you've tallied International appearances this season, players like Ampadu and Rodon could be breaking the 5000 minute mark; what if either got injured?

We have 41/45 points since January. How much better were more signings going to make us? We have seen with Roberts that he has so far basically been back-up but seems to have the right mentality and attitude. Why would a loan signing who has come in and found himself on the bench suddenly play better than anyone else last night if they got to start? Look at Southampton they brought in Brooks and Rothwell yet both weren't in the starting line-up yesterday. Were Southampton trying to get back to being the team that went on the 25 match unbeaten run? Both players were introduced yesterday with the score at 2-2 and it was noticeable that when Ipswich got their winner Brooks ambled back, from midfield and then made no real effort to cut out the cross. If that was one of our midfielders I would have expected them to be racing back, especially given Saints were down to 10 men.

So for me it is all about getting the right player(s) in. Looks like we did that with Roberts and am happy with just him. If Ampadu or Rodon got injured we still have Cooper and Cresswell. Also easy to forget that in January it didn't look like Struyjk would be ruled out for the season. Whilst Cooper and Cresswell may not be at the same level as Ampadu and Rodon both are experience championship defenders and who would we have been able to sign that is better than them but would have been happy to sit on the bench waiting for an injury?

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The Joseph chance is way way harder.
He is closely marked and has to make himself an angle to try and steer the ball in the corner and misses by the smallest of margins.
He definitely scores the Bamford open goal.
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Unbeaten in 2024 in the league and now the squad isn't good enough.

Ridiculous.
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Jaydog wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:08 am The Joseph chance is way way harder.
He is closely marked and has to make himself an angle to try and steer the ball in the corner and misses by the smallest of margins.
He definitely scores the Bamford open goal.
He can miss them too just like he did last month, Millwall was it?
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I am at a loss what some people expect.

It was never going to be a procession to get promotion or even winning the league. Nor will it be for Lester or Ipswich. It is just about getting points by whatever means - here on in. Whilst comfortable 3/4 nil wins would be nice, the pressure ramps up for each game now, every game will present different challenges.

Who would swap places with the other two, in terms of players and manager ? I think the last two games, given all the surrounding circumstances could be, all things considered our toughest tests for the run in. We have come through with 4 points from 6 and improved our GD by 2. This hardly represents a crisis.

On the end of season points total thread only PJM - that I can recall, suggested we would achieve maximum points - most people were mid to late 90’s. We are still above this expectation. I am somewhat befuddled by what I consider to be unjustified alarm.
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As I fought through the blizzard of exclamation marks I wondered what team you lot were writing about because the club I support are unbeaten this year and have dropped points in just two away games !!!!!Bamford misses the occasional sitter because he is always there making himself available unlike the Hull forwards who were all sat on the bench while they played a lot of ineffective possession football as showed by their XG . Rosenior claimed the ball ricocheted to James when it was a perfectly weighted pass from Piroe and maybe he could learn a thing or two about how to play direct penetrating football from watching a few replays of that goal. In the games without Gruev there has been a noticeable decline in the quality of the connection to the front 5 from midfield and it is this that is causing problems for Bamford . Kamara and Rutter are both getting caught in possession quite a bit in the last couple of games and there is much more of a tendency for James and Summerville to try and force issues and ending up in blind alleys. Once Gruev is back as the fulcrum I think the machine will work far more effectively but the reassuring thing is that we are still picking up the points and Farke knows best . Also panic loans are no guarantee of ultimate success and if we have learned anything from the last three months it is team spirit and squad togetherness that gets you the results on nights like last night.
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