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Good Morning. It's Tuesday 10th July, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Gladbach plead poverty in pursuit of wantaway star

Borussia Monchengladbach have told their West Yorkshire counterparts that €10-12m (£8.4m - £10.1m) is too much for Max Wober's services, but would gladly accept him on loan again! Wober 26, spent last season with the Bundesliga outfit, featuring 26 times for them. According to the stats on 'Whoscored', the Austrian International was their second best player, with an average rating of 6.84.

If recent transfer activity in Seville (Real Betis) is anything to go by, perhaps Gladbach are expecting Leeds to fold like a cheap deck of cards (again)? Sky Sports Germany correspondent Florian Plettenberg is adamant that Wober does not wish to return to Leeds even though he's got three more years on his contract, but should that limit Leeds options?

Wober proved to be one of better Leeds players (which doesn't say a lot) during the latter parts of their 22/23 campaign. Similarly, he showed his worth last season in the Bundesliga. Asking circa £9m is not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, so why do Leeds make such heavy weather of it?

Leeds United are currently demanding around €10-12m for a sale of Maximilian Wober! This is too much for @borussia. M‘gladbach would like to keep Wober but could only do so with another loan. The 26 y/o central defender is informed about that. The clear trend is that Wober will leave Leeds United. Contract valid until 2027.




Do we need another quality centre-back

Leeds fans stand divided as to whether the club need to invest in another centre-back following the departure of Charlie Cresswell, and free agent Liam Cooper being the subject of interest from Birmingham and Hull City!

Daniel Farke can fall back on Ethan Ampadu, who proved more than capable, alongside Joe Rodon in central defence after Pascal Struijk got injured. It may have been a seamless modification to our defensive line, but did it weaken our midfield? Gruev and Kamara 'did a job' in midfield, but let's be honest, if either or both were moved on, and were replaced, would we lose any sleep?

The gaffer obviously didn't rate either Cresswell or Cooper; you can tell by the number of times they came on to replace tired legs. Perhaps, if Farke were to bring in stronger squad players, he'll be more likelfy to use them, and we won't get to the scenario that we were in several months ago when they ran out of steam! Do the Whites need to splash the cash on another centre-back?





Leeds alerted to Kent availability

Long time target Ryan Kent could become a Leeds player this Summer, after news that the 27yo is due to leave Turkish outfit Fenerbahce. The Whites have been chasing Kent ever since his youth days at Anfield. They narrowly missed out on his signature during the Summer of 2018, shortly after Bielsa took the reigns, but opted to join Rangers (initially on loan) instead, making the deal permanent a year later.

Twelve month on, Leeds made an audacious £10m bid for the former England youth player, but Rangers refused to relent. As time went on, his form began to slip, and he ended up at Fenerbahce on a free transfer last Summer, six months before the expiry of his contract. Twelve months into his four contract, he's ready to return to blighty. He made seven substitute appearances and just one league start for the Super Lig club. He's unlikely to cost much, if anything at all. If he comes good, he could be the bargain of the Summer, but is he worth the risk?


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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wednesday 10th July) Gladbach plead poverty in pursuit of wantaway star

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Ryan Kent, Scottish and Turkish reject. We don't need to be rummaging about in the bargain bin for cast offs. Shows our decided lack of ambition... and would not be a solution to any of our attacking problems.
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I think we fold like a cheap suit.
Cards are always cheap but a suit can be expensive.
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Sean_Nile wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:54 am Ryan Kent, Scottish and Turkish reject. We don't need to be rummaging about in the bargain bin for cast offs. Shows our decided lack of ambition... and would not be a solution to any of our attacking problems.
Kent always came accross as a player that had all the talent but was a d*ck. The sort of player that a good Director of Football would be delving into the background of and flagging as high risk.
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Does Weber have a loan clause? if so we don't have much wriggle room.

If not then we play hard ball. He's a good player. If there are loan clauses then puts even more imperative on gaining promotion.

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Borussia Monchengladbach should be firmly told to stop steaming up the windows.

Wober should be re-sent a copy of the contract he signed and told to get his nose back on the grindstone

Ryan Kent should only be glanced at from a distance before moving on to look for players that might be able to do a proper job for us. We don't need to be scraping the barrel looking for deadwood as we have done in the past thank you

As for our defence as it currently is - it is thinner than a thin thing! A couple of injuries and we are right in the poo not withstanding the fact that we don't have a robust right back (Rasmus Kristensen not considered, Byram injury prone) and just an iffy defender in an injury prone Firpo at left back.
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Clitheroe White wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:07 am Does Weber have a loan clause? if so we don't have much wriggle room.

If not then we play hard ball. He's a good player. If there are loan clauses then puts even more imperative on gaining promotion.

Ryan Kent = loss of Cree or Gnonto
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I wondered when the Ryan Kent story would resurface. It comes up every summer 😂
It was Bielsa who wanted him, not the club, so there is no reason to believe DF will.
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Sean_Nile wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:54 am Ryan Kent, Scottish and Turkish reject. We don't need to be rummaging about in the bargain bin for cast offs. Shows our decided lack of ambition... and would not be a solution to any of our attacking problems.
We already have been in Alex Cairns ...
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Cairns was a pragmatic decision as he qualifies as a homegrown squad member in a situation where a significant number of last years squad who fulfilled that role have now left the club .I can imagine how loudly some of the naysayers would howl if we were pulled up for a breach of those rules so you should consider how the club now plan ahead for all these rules and regulations .
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ruttermania wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:49 am Cairns was a pragmatic decision as he qualifies as a homegrown squad member in a situation where a significant number of last years squad who fulfilled that role have now left the club .I can imagine how loudly some of the naysayers would howl if we were pulled up for a breach of those rules so you should consider how the club now plan ahead for all these rules and regulations .
Go on then, define homegrown.. in regards to the rule
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The Subhuman wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:04 am We already have been in Alex Cairns ...
Not sure what upsets you about Cairns. Hardly like we are going to have Ederson or Allison as our 3rd choice keeper. Somebody that is presumably on low wages, counts as a home grown player and is reasonably competent is the criteria.

Looking in the bargain bin is exactly the right place to be finding a 3rd choice keeper. It may even be that he has been a bit underated as a keeper or has now reached his prime and isn't actually a bad keeper. Give me a steady keeper who does all the basics right and I am fine with that.
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The Subhuman wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:50 am Go on then, define homegrown.. in regards to the rule
Currently, to be classified as homegrown one must be on an English team for at least three years before the age of twenty-one.

Each club is able to list up to 17 senior players that are not English or Welsh and did not spend a significant period in an English or Welsh academy, plus any number of homegrown players up to a maximum squad size of 25, plus an unlimited number of academy and under-21 players.

As such signing Cairns doesn't eat up into the allowance of 17 senior 'foreign' players that we can have in the squad.
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Morning all.
I know this won't be popular with most on here, but, I'd have Wober back, tell Bach to go die Scheiße, he's worth far more than they're wanting to pay, also worth far more to our wafer thin defence, we need Ampadu back in midfield running things and not with Kent either.
We could just fetch Wober back and stick him in the reserves if he dosen't like Leeds , he'd soon change his mind, I also think he'd be great in this division either as back up to Pascal or at LB for the clown.
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Isn't it odd Leeds Utd can moan about being ripped off when that's exactly what they do to their own long suffering fans.
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The Subhuman wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:04 am We already have been in Alex Cairns ...
I think tha was more of a shrewd move faaip. He's classed as homegrown which helps with all the money stuff nonsense.
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Doing a list feel free to add - Messlier, Struyjk and Summerville aren't homegrown as they hadn't been here 3 years when they turned 21

Foreign:

Meslier, Kristensen, Wober, Firpo, Gruev, Kamara, Rutter, Gnonto, Summerville, Aaronsen, Struyjk, Piroe, Mateo Joseph Fernandez,

So I think at present we have at least 13 (14 if Monteiro is included in the first team squad) players that aren't homegrown. Given that we are only allowed 17 it makes sense to bring in a homegrown keeper.
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weasel wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:57 am Currently, to be classified as homegrown one must be on an English team for at least three years before the age of twenty-one.

Each club is able to list up to 17 senior players that are not English or Welsh and did not spend a significant period in an English or Welsh academy, plus any number of homegrown players up to a maximum squad size of 25, plus an unlimited number of academy and under-21 players.

As such signing Cairns doesn't eat up into the allowance of 17 senior 'foreign' players that we can have in the squad.
Darlow
Rodon
Ampadu
Gelhardt
Bamford
James
Byram
Crew

Joseph comes damn close too, he may qualify

Then you could add Christy, Debayo, Thomas etc as players unlikely to play. Plus are you saying we'll only buy "foreigners" between now and Aug 31st?

I don't think Cairns was bought to satisfy a rule we're not likely to have an issue with
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The Subhuman wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:27 am Darlow
Rodon
Ampadu
Gelhardt
Bamford
James
Byram
Crew

Joseph comes damn close too, he may qualify

Then you could add Christy, Debayo, Thomas etc as players unlikely to play. Plus are you saying we'll only buy "foreigners" between now and Aug 31st?

I don't think Cairns was bought to satisfy a rule we're not likely to have an issue with
We can have as many homegrown players as we want but only 17 'foreigners.' My quick count suggests we have 13 or 14 including Montiero. As such we are likely only able to sign a further 3 foreigners so if we were to sign another Klaesson that would have eaten up another foreign space on a player unlikely to play.
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Ahh, digging deeper, you need 4 players in your first team squad from our own youth set up .... currently that stands at 2 (Cairns, Gelhardt (I think))

It's not easy to find Leeds players who have been at Leeds for three year between the ages of 15-20, the 17 yr olds are too young, the likes of Charlie Crew arrived from other academies, he should be fine next year..

Gelhardt and Joseph are marginal. Think Gelhardt spent 3 years here before 21, he arrived as an 18 yr old.
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