Farke Tactics

[Richard]

Summerville was fck all pre Farke - He'll do fck all in the Prem (you heard it here first) DF has made him.
James - Still has a helluva lot to prove - Was fcked off by Fulham (yes Fulham)
Gnonto - What do you see ?
Rutter - A £5m unproven player, that cost us £35m ???? (not df's btw) he can't even rip up the championship !
Barndoor has intelligence to close down and create space, apart from Bert, what has he ever done ?
Anthony is a Bournemouth reject ffs (yes, that's Bournemouth!)
Piroe is a finisher at Swansea that made him their main man and did nowt with him scoring, so what ?

Remember growing up, each estate had a best player, at school - each team had their best player ? But with 9 other donkeys, how good did that 1 goodun look huh ?

DF has OVER-PERFORMED with these fer gawds sake, they are nowt special - The Clown signed most.

DF made Summerville - No point debating with you if that’s what you believe. My guess is nobody believes the one trick pony will do well in the PL

Jesse, Gerrard, any linked manager last season would have at least matched DFs play off spot, we had the best team by a mile, double over Ipswich and Leicester proves that

DF was caught out with his no plan B and predictable approach, if he gets us up I just hope the 49ers get rid of him straight away or we’re straight back down

[Kennyb41]

DF made Summerville - No point debating with you if that’s what you believe. My guess is nobody believes the one trick pony will do well in the PL

Jesse, Gerrard, any linked manager last season would have at least matched DFs play off spot, we had the best team by a mile, double over Ipswich and Leicester proves that

DF was caught out with his no plan B and predictable approach, if he gets us up I just hope the 49ers get rid of him straight away or we’re straight back down

You're spot on.

There's no point.

[Jammy 07]

Scott Parker showed last night that he was willing to adapt his tactics based on the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. It worked rather well as they played forward quickly thus beating the Luton press and won at a canter.

No doubt when we play down at Luton we'll tippy tappy around at the back and in midfield resulting in turnovers, dangerous concessions of free kicks and a 4-0 thumping.

Or maybe not but maybe it would be nice to sometimes see us willing to mix things up and not be predictable to the opposition.

[DDB220]

Scott Parker showed last night that he was willing to adapt his tactics based on the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. It worked rather well as they played forward quickly thus beating the Luton press and won at a canter.

No doubt when we play down at Luton we'll tippy tappy around at the back and in midfield resulting in turnovers, dangerous concessions of free kicks and a 4-0 thumping.

Or maybe not but maybe it would be nice to sometimes see us willing to mix things up and not be predictable to the opposition.

Most successful modern day managers play with a tactical ethos. Effectively saying this is what we do and regardless of who we play we win or lose this way. They will tweak instructions to players, but this playing style ethos is what most if not all of the successful managers in the modern game subscribe to. However, a club needs the resources to get the right type of players.

Smaller clubs that have limited options may choose to alternate between direct, park the bus - counter attack.

Farke is thinking long term, perhaps a risky perspective for some but I admire his self confidence. Russell Martin had exactly the same criticism last season, as did Maresca.

This playing style ethos, which we also had under Bielsa permeates right through the club. So that players who come through the academy are totally in tune with the tactical approach and expectations.

[Jammy 07]

Most successful modern day managers play with a tactical ethos. Effectively saying this is what we do and regardless of who we play we win or lose this way. They will tweak instructions to players, but this playing style ethos is what most if not all of the successful managers in the modern game subscribe to. However, a club needs the resources to get the right type of players.

Smaller clubs that have limited options may choose to alternate between direct, park the bus - counter attack.

Farke is thinking long term, perhaps a risky perspective for some but I admire his self confidence. Russell Martin had exactly the same criticism last season, as did Maresca.

This playing style ethos, which we also had under Bielsa permeates right through the club. So that players who come through the academy are totally in tune with the tactical approach and expectations.

Totally agree but even Guardiola realised quite quickly that in England you sometimes need to go longer as it will catch the opposition out.

Farke needs to tweak what he's built to be less risk averse in terms of giving up possession early....at least some of the time and in particular when the opponent has 6 or 7 players pressing in our half.

Utilizing the pace of Dan James and Joseph before the defence is set could be key this season. There were signs on Saturday that he may be trying to introduce this.

[DDB220]

Totally agree but even Guardiola realised quite quickly that in England you sometimes need to go longer as it will catch the opposition out.

Farke needs to tweak what he's built to be less risk averse in terms of giving up possession early....at least some of the time and in particular when the opponent has 6 or 7 players pressing in our half.

Utilizing the pace of Dan James and Joseph before the defence is set could be key this season. There were signs on Saturday that he may be trying to introduce this.

We moved the ball to slowly last season when we needed a goal, there has appeared to be a sense of more urgency with our passing based upon the Portsmouth showing. But speed of thought and deed improves with the chemistry of the players, particularly if you know where player B is going to be and you have set patterns of play.
That lack of injection of pace with moving the ball against the low block was a real problem last season. Fingers crossed this has improved.

With regards to going long at times -
A/ you need a player who can deliver a quality ball over the top of a defence. From what I have seen Amps can but not sure about the rest.
B/ you need a pacey strong 9 who can get on the end of it.

City have KDB and Rodri who can execute the ball and Haaland to aim at.

Last season we did not have an ideal forward, perhaps Joseph is the answer - he certainly looks like he has the right attributes.

[Sean_Nile]

How often have I heard the expression "his tactics have been found out"

As soon s any manager hits a loosing streak then they have been found out.

Summerville gets doubled up on and Farke has been found out. Rutter has a hernia operation and Farke has been found out. Firpo goes walkabout and Farke has been found out. Farke makes the wrong substitutions late in a the game, and he's tactical inept.

We all has a great desire to understand why we loose a game, and analyse the game to death... sometimes the opposing team are just better, and it is as simple as that. But is a player has the flu or an injury, or playing out of position that could be the major reason for a loss, and not that the tactics are wrong.

Skillful healthy players playing in their right position go a long way to making tactics a success.

[Jaydog]

How often have I heard the expression "his tactics have been found out"

As soon s any manager hits a loosing streak then they have been found out.

Summerville gets doubled up on and Farke has been found out. Rutter has a hernia operation and Farke has been found out. Firpo goes walkabout and Farke has been found out. Farke makes the wrong substitutions late in a the game, and he's tactical inept.

We all has a great desire to understand why we loose a game, and analyse the game to death... sometimes the opposing team are just better, and it is as simple as that. But is a player has the flu or an injury, or playing out of position that could be the major reason for a loss, and not that the tactics are wrong.

Skillful healthy players playing in their right position go a long way to making tactics a success.

Doesnt it just mean one or more of:
1. The tactics are wrong on the day
2. The players dont buy in to the managers philosophy.
3. Players not good enough for the above.
After all its not a game played by 24 geniuses.

It was often a phrase said about Bielsa although some would argue very strongly that it was the players who simply couldn’t implement them any more.

[lufc1304]

Farke's tactics worked more than they didn't last season, so he must be doing something right, but I do think they are a little one dimensional and need mixing up, especially against teams who come to sit back and hope to nick something on the counter. Personally think we are crying out for a playmaker, a new Pablo, someone who can find that defence splitting pass when games are tight. Georgi does it on occasion, but not often enough.
I didn't see Saturday's game, but 23 goal attempts suggest we weren't lacking in chance creation, it was the same old story of not being clinical enough. And shooting ourselves in the foot defensively. But it was the season opener and those always throw up some funny results. Absolutely no need for panic, we'll be fine, but we do need some more personnel (owned or loaned) and to be more clinical.

[Sean_Nile]

Farke says to Jimmy, get the ball run like hell, cut inside and shoot for the top corner, and you will get goals. Jimmy follows the tactics and scores about 18 goals, with that form we are sure to get promoted... the tactics are working... only for the last 8 games they don't cos Jimmy is being doubled up on.

Georginio says Daniel I want you to come from deep slalom past multiple defenders and make a killer pass for someone else to score... and it works until Georginio is surrounded by 3 men and has a hernia operation.

Joe and Ethan command this box don't let anything through we can go on a 14 match unbeaten run, and we did, but in the run in at the end of the season Joe and Ethan said we're tired boss, played too many games without a rest, we don't have the legs anymore.

Tactics work until they fail you... and I suppose the secret is to recognise when they are failure and have the courage to implement something new, but it is so difficult to abandon a system that has brought success, but that is what good managers do.

[Cjay]

Most successful modern day managers play with a tactical ethos. Effectively saying this is what we do and regardless of who we play we win or lose this way. They will tweak instructions to players, but this playing style ethos is what most if not all of the successful managers in the modern game subscribe to. However, a club needs the resources to get the right type of players.

Smaller clubs that have limited options may choose to alternate between direct, park the bus - counter attack.

Farke is thinking long term, perhaps a risky perspective for some but I admire his self confidence. Russell Martin had exactly the same criticism last season, as did Maresca.

This playing style ethos, which we also had under Bielsa permeates right through the club. So that players who come through the academy are totally in tune with the tactical approach and expectations.

Problem is that Martin tweaked his style to counter DF and beat him easily 3 times.

He wasn't the only manager, Mike Dodds for Sunderland, never had a senior manager position did the same thing twice and took points off us both times, just played a back 3.

Mark Robins same thing tweaked his style took points off DF twice.

It's fine having a Philosophy but if the same managers are beating you more than once and you have no answer (especially someone like Dodds a total rookie) then you need a rethink.

The best managers think of the opposition strengths as well, DF has no answer to it when managers countered him last season.

I'd hope he has learned something.

Is nothing wrong with changing your style for a different opponent, it's actually the mark of a good coach or atleast a flexible one.

[weasel]

Problem is that Martin tweaked his style to counter DF and beat him easily 3 times.

He wasn't the only manager, Mike Dodds for Sunderland, never had a senior manager position did the same thing twice and took points off us both times, just played a back 3.

Mark Robins same thing tweaked his style took points off DF twice.

It's fine having a Philosophy but if the same managers are beating you more than once and you have no answer (especially someone like Dodds a total rookie) then you need a rethink.

The best managers think of the opposition strengths as well, DF has no answer to it when managers countered him last season.

I'd hope he has learned something.

Is nothing wrong with changing your style for a different opponent, it's actually the mark of a good coach or atleast a flexible one.

Breaktime is over

[Cjay]

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Breaktime is over

[Jammy 07]

Problem is that Martin tweaked his style to counter DF and beat him easily 3 times.

He wasn't the only manager, Mike Dodds for Sunderland, never had a senior manager position did the same thing twice and took points off us both times, just played a back 3.

Mark Robins same thing tweaked his style took points off DF twice.

It's fine having a Philosophy but if the same managers are beating you more than once and you have no answer (especially someone like Dodds a total rookie) then you need a rethink.

The best managers think of the opposition strengths as well, DF has no answer to it when managers countered him last season.

I'd hope he has learned something.

Is nothing wrong with changing your style for a different opponent, it's actually the mark of a good coach or atleast a flexible one.

When you play a possession based passing game and everyone is marked there are only really two choices;

1) play a calculated but somewhat hopeful channel ball for a speedy runner
2) go back to your goalkeeper and look to start again

Farke only allows option 2 and that makes us predictable and easier to play against.

[Jaydog]

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I’ll venture an explanation Cjay.
Young Weasel the scamp said he might not post again till you’d bashed Danny some more. A bit like PJM (Pretty Jaded Man) saying he wouldn't post till we won again. Get it.

[Cjay]

I’ll venture an explanation Cjay.
Young Weasel the scamp said he might not post again till you’d bashed Danny some more. A bit like PJM (Pretty Jaded Man) saying he wouldn't post till we won again. Get it.

Awe poor lamb

Must never say anything less than fawning about the German Southgate

I will try . . . . .erm . . . . .

He probably has nice aftershave

[The Subhuman]

Awe poor lamb

Must never say anything less than fawning about the German Southgate

I will try . . . . .erm . . . . .

He probably has nice aftershave

No such thing ...

[Kennyb41]

How does anybody know how many of the players he inherited he actually enjoys working with ?

Is it beyond the realms he's thinking - " I don't want Joseph, Bamford, Gnonto, Firpo, Meslier, James, but what can i do"

Klopp and Pep get fast tracked by money to get rid of who they don't want, then spend Gazillions bringing folk in.

How many different managers and transfers are scum going thru since Fergie ?

It takes ANY manager time to build something that's his own.

So let's say we sack DF tomorrow, and a new manager arrives that can't work with 7 of this current squad, coz they don't fit in with his plans/formation/they just don't get on/ are shite anyway/ aren't on the same page.

Let's say a new manager can work with - Rodon, Piroe, Bogle, James and a couple more, but he feels Rutter is a liability giving the ball away and doesn't want him anywhere near the first 11, and he's also thinking that he can't work with the likes of Bamford, Firpo, and 3 others, then what ?

[Kennyb41]

Piroe is a prime example of how things can go wrong, and that's £15m wrong.

DF arrived very very late.

The 49er's made a dramatic statement with a headline marquee signing, a leading goal scorer no less.

"Here DF, a £15m signing, make it work"

"But, but, I don't know owt about him really"

"There's no time, make it work"

"Do i have to, i'd sooner have the £15m and take my time, assess the squad"

"There is no time, make it work, yes you have to have him, the fans are gonna love us for it"

3 months on -

"Look it's fcking my whole game and strategy up this, it's fcking up the system for the players i have, and i'm struggling with them as it is"

"Ok, drop him. But make it work with the rest, or you're fired"

"But, but....."

"No buts, get us fcking promoted, and raise us £65m to spend, or else"

[Cjay]

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