The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Tuesday 15th October) Can Leeds afford to wait until January

[1964white]

Had Bielsa still been here then I think he'd have bought CC along, he certainly rated him.. but alas he went and the rest is history.

Bielsa hardly used Charlie after the West Ham game at ER, he saw something concerning him our fans didn't see!

[Ellandback1]

As is Rodon really... Jansson was another.

Not your point but it's also a myth that successive managers didn't rate Cresswell, He was a bit young under Bielsa, not quite ready (but a lot more ready than say Debayo) Marsch maybe a touch early too, plus really bad player coach, then Gracia and Alladyce were late season, special circumstances managers with no time to blood youngsters even if they maybe should have

Really leaves only Farke who seems to not rate him, and he could be very wrong.

Was Marsch actually a bad coach or had the players become a bit leggy due to Bielsa-ball by then. Looking at what Marsch has done with Canada, he can't be that bad??

[1964white]

Yeah, glad he feels comfortable because I don't always feel comfortable when he has the ball at his feet.

Neither do I, but I haven't felt comfortable either with Darlow between the sticks, too.

[Ellandback1]

Had Bielsa still been here then I think he'd have bought CC along, he certainly rated him.. but alas he went and the rest is history.

Bielsa never gave youth a chance though.

It would be exactly the same line up week in, week out until they couldn't walk....

[1964white]

Well put, but...

The last player to come back to Leeds (and play) after being loaned out and therefor benefitting the club was Mateusz Klich. Before that, it was Jermaine Beckford!

The amount of young talent that has slipped through our fingers. Max Deans, now an England U20 International, alongside Darko Gyabi, Leif Davis, who without his contributions would have make Ipswich Town look like a mid table side. Our current group of talented youngsters won't get a look-in, proved by the fact Farke would rather use the emergency free agent route than give Debayo are Crew a chance.

Why havn't they been sent out on loan?

Leif Davis is our biggest loss, the rest I don't care two hoots about!

So many of the players moved on were overrated.

[The Subhuman]

Bielsa hardly used Charlie after the West Ham game at ER, he saw something concerning him our fans didn't see!

Again TOO YOUNG under Bielsa, you were just commenting how we did well not to play Joseph last year. Charlie is 22, Bielsa has been gone nearly three years

[The Subhuman]

Was Marsch actually a bad coach or had the players become a bit leggy due to Bielsa-ball by then. Looking at what Marsch has done with Canada, he can't be that bad??

Bad coach, tactically inept with us

[1964white]

Again TOO YOUNG under Bielsa, you were just commenting how we did well not to play Joseph last year. Charlie is 22, Bielsa has been gone nearly three years

Yes, Cresswell's age & lack of experience probably played a part in his non-selection, also he had Koch, Llorente, Cooper & Struijk in front of him in the pecking order.

[Ellandback1]

Bad coach, tactically inept with us

I reckon we could be cursed

[Ellandback1]

Leif Davis is our biggest loss, the rest I don't care two hoots about!

So many of the players moved on were overrated.

Diogo Monteiro has just had shoulder surgery, but he was supposed to be the next big thing.

Do we know anything about him?

[andrewjohnsmith]

Cresswell was a succesful loanee as was Drameh ...very successful. I think Roca and Koch also, that's 4. Kristiansen is this year, that's 5. Even Llorente did well in Italy.... Gelhardt had a successful loan deal at Sunderland

Greenwood was excellent through half a season for Boro

Was going to say the same. Several had good loan spells, but couldn't establish themselves at Leeds

Add Mateusz Klich to the list

[andrewjohnsmith]

Diogo Monteiro has just had shoulder surgery, but he was supposed to be the next big thing.

Do we know anything about him?

Had promise when we first signed him. But never managed to establish himself. Not even in the under 21's. He was behind guys like Moore and Mullen last season. This season Debayo and Lapota White have quickly jumped ahead of him. Who know? Maybe he could develop with age. But I wrote him off over a year ago.

[andrewjohnsmith]

Had Bielsa still been here then I think he'd have bought CC along, he certainly rated him.. but alas he went and the rest is history.

I feel like there ware a lot of false assumptions about Cresswell, from people that never saw him play. You, obviously watched him a lot.

The main one is that he's an old fashioned center back. That's just assumed from his size. And certainly he was good in the air and from set pieces. But he was very good with his feet. We didn't get enough time to see it in the senior team. But he showed it a lot with the 23/21's. He could run comfortably with the ball and he could pick a great long range pass. I do think that, in addition to his size, he was a skillful footballer. The only area that was really lacking from his game - and that held him back at Leeds - was the mental aspect and experience that would come with age and more playing time.

I see you addressed the one that numerous coaches at Leeds didn't rate him. Bielsa did rate him. He was part of the first team squad. Marsch rated him too and gave him some playing time. But we had four experienced center backs when he was sent out on loan. He wasn't here for Gracia and Allerdyce. Then Farke came along and didn't use him. As you said, Farke is really the only coach who didn't want to use him. And that comes down to a personal preference on Farke's part. You seemingly have to be an exceptional youth (Archie Gray) to get playing time under him.