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Good Morning. It's Wednesday 4th December, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Salzburg want Wober back

Red Bull Salzburg are reportedly keen to take Max Wober back to Austria in January, two years after joining Leeds, according to newspaper outlet 'Kurier'. The 26 year old is returning from injury, and only has 37 minutes of game time under his belt. Despite this, his versatility could prove a massive asset for the Whites in-case of injuries, suspensions and tactical rotations, between now and the end of the season.

Wober fell out of favour with the Elland Road faithful after demanding a loan move, shortly after the Whites were relegated from the Premier League 18 months ago. It was a massive kick in the teeth for Daniel Farke who had handed him the Captain's armband just days prior, during Leeds pre-season tour of Oslo.

Money talks, and if Leeds were to recoup the £10m they paid for him (or even more), that money could be reinvested towards a top quality No10, an obvious weakness in the Leeds line-up. Equally, they may choose to invest in a goal-scorer, especially as Bamford (linked to Wrexham) and Joffy (multiple options) could fly the nest in the New Year!





Should Joseph to sent out on loan if Leeds win promotion

If Leeds win promotion this season, would it be pragmatic to send Mateo Joseph out on loan? After a blistering pre-season, the 21yo has lost his way this campaign, only playing a bit role in nine of out Leeds previous ten games. With two goals, three assists and and average 'Whoscored rating of 6.55 (17th), Joseph has a long way to go before he can establish himself as a regular starter.

Nobody is doubting his talent, but is there any point him rotting on the bench week in - week out in the Prem, when he could be playing every week in the Championship, getting stronger and learning his trade?





Pressure and expectation

Nancy Froston has penned an interesting piece in this morning's 'New York Times', formerly 'The Athletic, detailing both the expectations, and pressure's of West Yorkshire's finest, and their devoted followers.

Fairly or not, there has always been high expectations of Leeds Utd, perhaps creating unnecessary pressure on the club, and the players. Their past is littered by a mixture of misfortune, elation and sheer incompetence, but through thick and thin, the fans continue to turn up in their droves, hoping for a repeat performance from what we witnessed during the Revie and Wilkinson era.

Is the criticism deserved? Are Leeds under performing this season, given the squad Daniel Farke has at his disposal or are fans getting melodramatic after every slip?

Leeds United have lost three games in the Championship this season and panic starts to set in after each defeat. That is what it means to be associated with Leeds in a promotion race. The pressure of being one of the biggest teams in the division with an expectation of top-flight football means each slip-up comes under the microscope.

But last season has played its part too, as scars linger of Daniel Farke’s side falling agonisingly short of promotion despite racking up 90 points. It was a race at the top unlike any other in recent years in the Championship. Comparatively, Leeds are performing just as well again this year.

United have the same points at the 18-game mark (35), the same number of goals scored (31) and fewer goals conceded (13 this season, 18 last season). There are signs that this is a well-balanced, excellent team as opposed to last season’s great group with standout individuals.

There will be bumps in the road and the 1-0 away defeat by Blackburn Rovers, which prevented Leeds from returning to the top of the league, was another one. Away form has not been ideal this season. Defeats at Millwall and Blackburn, as well as draws at Bristol City and Sunderland have proved tricky as Farke’s side have looked to build up the type of run that put them in contention last season.

Their 15-game unbeaten run from January to April allowed them to challenge for a top-two spot before — unforgivably in the eyes of some fans — slipping away. This year the division should be less pressured. It is unlikely we will see four teams establish such a sustained race for the top two, although it remains competitive as we near the halfway mark.

The defeat at Blackburn proved costly, with Farke’s side dropping down to third with just five points separating first and fourth. Sheffield United, Burnley and Sunderland, against whom Leeds have a record of one win, one draw and one defeat, are their main competition.

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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wednesday 4th December) Salzburg want Wober back

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Morning all, if wober is still wanting away then I say recoup as much as possible and get shot of him.

Joseph
Nobody is doubting his talent, but is there any point him rotting on the bench week in - week out in the Prem, when he could be playing every week in the Championship, getting stronger and learning his trade?


We are in the championship now so why isn't he learning his trade in it with us !!??
Putting the fraud on in front of him can only demoralise him even more.
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Leeds fans panic when they play, panic when they lose, panic when they don't win by enough of a margin, panic when someone else signs a player. Panic that they might collapse, panic when they do collapse. Panic that we spend too much on players, panic when we don't.
Panic about next season in the PL, panic about next season the the Championship.


And there is DF trying to calm us down with his methodical approach to gameplay.

Prosac for the masses, Southgate Stupification.






For the record Leicester lost 11 games last season, and while the fans panicked, they won the league.


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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wednesday 4th December) Salzburg want Wober back

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Irish Ian wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:52 am Leeds fans panic when they play, panic when they lose, panic when they don't win by enough of a margin, panic when someone else signs a player. Panic that they might collapse, panic when they do collapse. Panic that we spend too much on players, panic when we don't.
Panic about next season in the PL, panic about next season the the Championship.


And there is DF trying to calm us down with his methodical approach to gameplay.

Prosac for the masses, Southgate Stupification.






For the record Leicester lost 11 games last season, and while the fans panicked, they won the league.


Douglas Adams had the right idea.
Is that DA from HHGTTG Ian !!
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Morning EB, et all,

What time does Wober need picking up to take him to LBA, as I know a few people that will be happy to drop him off, a couple even said outside the airport.

Joseph should be learning his trade now not next year so perhaps giving him game time would help.

Leeds fans panicking and getting hysterical no way, never ever seen that happen, especially in my own home :lol: :lol:
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mentalcase wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:47 am Morning all, if wober is still wanting away then I say recoup as much as possible and get shot of him.

Joseph
Nobody is doubting his talent, but is there any point him rotting on the bench week in - week out in the Prem, when he could be playing every week in the Championship, getting stronger and learning his trade?


We are in the championship now so why isn't he learning his trade in it with us !!??
Putting the fraud on in front of him can only demoralise him even more.
Effectively, this is Joseph's first proper season, he's doing alright if e were a mid card Championship outfit.

If we win promotion next season, he'll be rotting on the bench. He needs a proper season continuing to learn, and get stronger.
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Irish Ian wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:52 am Leeds fans panic when they play, panic when they lose, panic when they don't win by enough of a margin, panic when someone else signs a player. Panic that they might collapse, panic when they do collapse. Panic that we spend too much on players, panic when we don't.
Panic about next season in the PL, panic about next season the the Championship.


And there is DF trying to calm us down with his methodical approach to gameplay.

Prosac for the masses, Southgate Stupification.






For the record Leicester lost 11 games last season, and while the fans panicked, they won the league.


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Ellandback1 wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:41 am Effectively, this is Joseph's first proper season, he's doing alright if e were a mid card Championship outfit.

If we win promotion next season, he'll be rotting on the bench. He needs a proper season continuing to learn, and get stronger.
Yes but if he were given more games now to improve, get his confidence up and scored a few, we get promotion and he's raring to go, many other strikers have hit the PL running from promoted teams, he ain't 16 anymore, otherwise he'll go exactly the same as Joffy.
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Irish Ian wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:52 am Leeds fans panic when they play, panic when they lose, panic when they don't win by enough of a margin, panic when someone else signs a player. Panic that they might collapse, panic when they do collapse. Panic that we spend too much on players, panic when we don't.
Panic about next season in the PL, panic about next season the the Championship.


And there is DF trying to calm us down with his methodical approach to gameplay.

Prosac for the masses, Southgate Stupification.






For the record Leicester lost 11 games last season, and while the fans panicked, they won the league.


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Strikers are a funny breed, every single one of them goes through phases of not scoring, but they are often still very important to the way the team plays and, probably, while they're not scoring someone else is

Pick one, (Joseph/Paddy/AN Other. Piroe ain't a lone striker) and stick with them. No clue why Joseph was dropped originally.
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To the editors of the Yorkshire Evening Post

Might I take this opportunity to address the recent loss of Leeds United to Blackburn Rovers to a penalty. This 1-0 loss undoubtedly will go down as a watershed moment that will define this season.

Consider the manager? A more clueless figure I have not encountered since my Aunt Doris tried to assemble a flat-pack Ikea wardrobe without the instructions.

His tactics were as incomprehensible as they were ineffective, seemingly devised during a fever dream after consuming an ill-advised amount of blue Stilton cheese, chilli bratwurst, washed down by copious amount of chamomile tea.

The owners, meanwhile, continue to test the patience of the faithful, they have no sensibilities regards the beautiful game, and for them owning a football club is a mere dalliance, akin to collecting ornamental spoons.

And as to the matchday experience let me explain about the pies! Sir, the pies! I paid an extortionate sum for a pastry so cold, so rubbery, I half suspected it was a prototype for some new form of edible insulation.

The club, once a bastion of grit and glory, now teeters on the edge of ridicule. If such performances persist, I may be forced to renounce my allegiance altogether and retreat to the countryside, where I can find solace in the more dependable things like sheep farming... or frog hunting, or even practice snail watching, which would afford more pleasure and excitement than attending games at Elland Road.

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The Subhuman wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:00 am The pangalactic gargle-blaster?
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mentalcase wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:00 am Yes but if he were given more games now to improve, get his confidence up and scored a few, we get promotion and he's raring to go, many other strikers have hit the PL running from promoted teams, he ain't 16 anymore, otherwise he'll go exactly the same as Joffy.
But he's scored twice in 19 appearances - he obviously isn't ready...
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Ellandback1 wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 12:09 pm But he's scored twice in 19 appearances - he obviously isn't ready...
Maybe, but bamford or Joseph, I know who I'd rather start with and keep for t future.
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mentalcase wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 1:17 pm Maybe, but bamford or Joseph, I know who I'd rather start with and keep for t future.
100%, but does that mean sending him out for a season to get more experience?
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Irish Ian wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:52 am Leeds fans panic when they play, panic when they lose, panic when they don't win by enough of a margin, panic when someone else signs a player. Panic that they might collapse, panic when they do collapse. Panic that we spend too much on players, panic when we don't.
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We need to do what we can to keep Wober until the end of the season. If we sell him we can't used the money for anything else. We'd need another defender

And Joseph? That's a decision that can't be made until the end of the season. There's 6 months of football to be played.
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Ellandback1 wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:05 pm 100%, but does that mean sending him out for a season to get more experience?
Not to me no, if we do, we get a replacement in, the we lose him anyway, probably back to spain where they will nurture him for the full squad via the U21s .
Of course he may be like many others, this league is too high for him, we'll only know if we encourage him to stay and play.
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