The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Friday 13th December) Leeds fans hit back at Carrick

[Ellandback1]

Good Morning. It's Friday 13th December, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Leeds fans hit back at Carrick

Leeds fans have hit back at Boro Boss Michael Carrick following his post match interview on Tuesday night. Whites fans have flocked to social media outlet 'X' to express their displeasure at comments Carrick made saying he thought his side deserved something from the game. Leeds ended up winning 3-1, and missing a hatful of half-chances to extend their lead further, though that's not to say the Smoggies didn't have opportunities of their own.

After pulling one back (curtesy of a Wober own goal), Carrick's side went in search of an equaliser. They put the hosts under sustained pressure (at times) without carving open too many clear cut opportunities, thanks to a resolute Leeds defence. Aarronson's stoppage time strike was very much the cherry on the cake for Farke's men, with many believing a two-goal cushion flattered the Whites. The may have exacerbated the situation as far as Carrick was concerned, leading to his comments!





Are Leeds better prepared this time around

The departure of key players last Summer (including Rutter, Summerville, and Gray), raised serious question marks as to whether Farke's team could maintain their competitive edge this time around, but with 41 points on the board from 20 games, they find themselves on target to finish their campaign on 94 points!

Leeds have obvious weaknesses leading the line (and playmaker), but have invested smartly with Bogle, Tanaka, Rodon, Solomon (loan) and Rothwell (loan) creating strength in depth. They splashed out big on Ramazani, who if it hadn't been for his injury could be creating headlines by now. We must also remember that Wober and Arronson coming back must seem like new signings.

Many feel that the board will need to fill the 9 and/or 10 role in January if the club are serious about promotion. We all know what happened last season. Have they learnt by their mistakes this time around?





Whites linked with Villa starlet

Leeds have thrown their hat into the ring for Aston Villa's talented forward Louie Barry, according to TEAMtalk. The 21-year-old winger has been turning heads with his incredible performances during his loan spell at Stockport, where he’s racked up an impressive 14 goals in just 19 League One outings.

A host of Championship clubs including Leeds are ready to pounce after talk of Barry's loan spell at Edgeley Park being cut short in the New Year, so he can test himself at a higher level. Although only 21, this will be his 7th loan move since joining the Villains in 2021, proving the loan system works when used properly.

[mentalcase]

Morning all.
Same as I was saying after game, Carrick was just smarting and licking his teams collective wounds they got what they deserved out of the game....nothing, although they ought to be greatful to come and breath in gods finest fresh air the smoggy rats.

We'll have to wait and see if we bring in new players but if we get promotion we deffo need to strengthen so why not now.

Ive been keeping an eye on Barry, certainly a talent but keeps getting pushed around different clubs with no proper home,bit like Rodon really but do we need another young winger.

[Irish Ian]

Villa will want guaranteed game time for their boy so we can forget that.

The fact that Villa have loaned him so many times and cant find room for him when they have a Champions League season suggests they dont fancy him that much!

[Mildlyanarchic]

The report is fundamentally flawed ("pulled one back") and Michael Carrick is quite rightly encouraged by his team's efforts tinged with more optimism than ambition but as always our lads did not convert their incursions into productive efforts. Our goalkeeper prevented concession at a crucial stage and he may need acknowledgment for that. On another day we may have conceded a soft penalty and by the way we will rarely get a moderately balanced view from anyone on any forum.

[Ellandback1]

Morning all.
Same as I was saying after game, Carrick was just smarting and licking his teams collective wounds they got what they deserved out of the game....nothing, although they ought to be greatful to come and breath in gods finest fresh air the smoggy rats.

We'll have to wait and see if we bring in new players but if we get promotion we deffo need to strengthen so why not now.

Ive been keeping an eye on Barry, certainly a talent but keeps getting pushed around different clubs with no proper home,bit like Rodon really but do we need another young winger.

Is it a bad thing Barry getting pushed around, developing, getting stronger and learning his trade. He's been going out on loan every season since he was 18, and now they are seeing a massive return on their asset!

[Ellandback1]

The report is fundamentally flawed ("pulled one back") and Michael Carrick is quite rightly encouraged by his team's efforts tinged with more optimism than ambition but as always our lads did not convert their incursions into productive efforts. Our goalkeeper prevented concession at a crucial stage and he may need acknowledgment for that. On another day we may have conceded a soft penalty and by the way we will rarely get a moderately balanced view from anyone on any forum.

What's great about this forum are the differing views from posters. I think its going to be more difficult against Preston on Saturday. They've always been a side to throw themselves to the floor to gain an advantage...

[lufc1304]

No axe to grind with Carrick, all managers do that when their team loses to a greater or lesser degree. They gave us a good game, but didn't do enough to get anything out of it.

We don't need another winger, no matter how talented Barry may be. What we do need is a proper 10, though I recognise they are as rare as rocking horse s**t.

[Ratscoot]

Morning EB, et all,

Carrick like managers is going to say they deserve something out of the game, very few actually dig out their players or fans ask Neil Harris how that works out for you

We've definitely got a more balanced and deeper squad this season but agree we could do with a bit more depth and experience for the run in, but will the 49ers have learned from last season

Do we need another young, inexperienced winger, the stats say he's excellent but that's in a lower league and as said already the Villians will want guaranteed game time, which I do think we can do so I'd rather we spent any money on a proven striker and/or nO10.

[GreennWhite]

The report is fundamentally flawed ("pulled one back") and Michael Carrick is quite rightly encouraged by his team's efforts tinged with more optimism than ambition but as always our lads did not convert their incursions into productive efforts. Our goalkeeper prevented concession at a crucial stage and he may need acknowledgment for that. On another day we may have conceded a soft penalty and by the way we will rarely get a moderately balanced view from anyone on any forum.

We get plenty of balanced views on this forum, but as is normally the case the views that are exaggerated by OTT comments tends to stand out, and get mentioned more.
There are of course a small number who enjoy slagging off the club, the manager and players but nothing that said will ever change their minds, and they get their kicks from stirring the s**t so they are best ignored.

[GreennWhite]

Carrick is no different from all the other managers when his team have just lost a game. They always back their own team up, which is what you would expect from them. They may give the odd little bit of praise to their opponents, but in general they say how unlucky they were and that they could/should have got something out of the game.
Another one of these nothing to see here stories
We dont need another young wide player. We could do with another couple of players not in that position.

[Sean_Nile]

The report is fundamentally flawed ("pulled one back") and Michael Carrick is quite rightly encouraged by his team's efforts tinged with more optimism than ambition but as always our lads did not convert their incursions into productive efforts. Our goalkeeper prevented concession at a crucial stage and he may need acknowledgment for that. On another day we may have conceded a soft penalty and by the way we will rarely get a moderately balanced view from anyone on any forum.

The phrase "Comparison is the thief of joy" is attributed to Theodore Roosevelt. It suggests that constantly comparing ourselves to others can lead to dissatisfaction and unhappiness. That is the trap all managers make when doing a post match analysis... comparison ultimately leads to unhappiness... unless you are winning.

That team has a bigger budget, or that team has a parachute payment, or they have a better goalie or is Piroe better than Joseph. It shifts focus from appreciating individual strengths to feelings of being inadequate or judgmental.

When comparing players like Joel Piroe and Mateo Joseph as strikers for Leeds, it’s important to recognize their unique strengths and roles... and weigh them against the likes of Louie Barry. We don't get him and he scores a load of goals... we feel let down. We get him and is no better than what we've got... and we feel let down.

Piroe is a proven goal scorer with an excellent record in the Championship, known for his clinical finishing and positioning. Mateo Joseph, though younger, brings energy, versatility, and potential for growth. While Piroe might currently be the better choice for consistent goal output, Joseph’s talent could make him a future star... comparisons comparison, comparisons

Over-comparison can overlook Piroe's contributions if we're focusing too narrowly on a single metric, like goals scored, rather than the work Joseph does in pressing in the team context.

Making comparisons when we win only leads to hubris, pride cometh before a fall and a haughty spirit before destruction.

[The Subhuman]

The report is fundamentally flawed ("pulled one back") and Michael Carrick is quite rightly encouraged by his team's efforts tinged with more optimism than ambition but as always our lads did not convert their incursions into productive efforts. Our goalkeeper prevented concession at a crucial stage and he may need acknowledgment for that. On another day we may have conceded a soft penalty and by the way we will rarely get a moderately balanced view from anyone on any forum.

always from me ..and probably CJay

[Cjay]

always from me ..and probably CJay

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[Cjay]

No issue with what Carrick said, they has the pen call, a few situations they didn't make the best from and Meslier made a few good saves so he isn't wrong really.

I don't think the squad is better no.

[1964white]

No axe to grind with Carrick, all managers do that when their team loses to a greater or lesser degree. They gave us a good game, but didn't do enough to get anything out of it.

We don't need another winger, no matter how talented Barry may be. What we do need is a proper 10, though I recognise they are as rare as rocking horse s**t.

Boro' are the best team we've played at ER.

A bit of a wild statement some would say, because the Blunts are the top team in the championship, however we didn't witness the best of Wilder's bunch, down to him, I suggest. Also we were good.

[1964white]

No issue with what Carrick said, they has the pen call, a few situations they didn't make the best from and Meslier made a few good saves so he isn't wrong really.

I don't think the squad is better no.

I think we are.

Stronger in the wing-back positions & centre-midfield, and we have four very good wingers.

Still lacking upfront, as we were last season. We now have Piroe & Joseph as opposed to Piroe & Bamford (for ten weeks)

More hard-working team with the additions of Rothwell & Aaronson, and the graft of James & Gnonto.

Ten goals off the bench & goals from corners, thanks to the delivery Rothwell provides.

Rutter six goals in 44 appearances, Aaronson five in 20 games.

Not relying on individuals any more!

[DDB220]

No issue with what Carrick said, they has the pen call, a few situations they didn't make the best from and Meslier made a few good saves so he isn't wrong really.

I don't think the squad is better no.

There are some contradictions here.

We dominate a game and lose. I cannot recall any posts - post match where you highlight we were unlucky etc.

Your analysis is in the main critical of Farke’s tactics and / or certain players.

Results in a significant amounts of games are often down to fine margins.

I disagree that the squad is not better than last season. It is far more balanced and resilient. Whilst it does not have the same level of flair. The numbers in terms of defence and goal contributions from all areas of the team are an improvement.

Last season you repetitively argued that Farke relied on two players to win games. That argument has dissolved this season. Yet we are on an equivalent points total thus far.

I struggle to understand how you therefore conclude that the squad is not stronger.

[Cjay]

There are some contradictions here.

We dominate a game and lose. I cannot recall any posts - post match where you highlight we were unlucky etc.

Your analysis is in the main critical of Farke’s tactics and / or certain players.

Results in a significant amounts of games are often down to fine margins.

I disagree that the squad is not better than last season. It is far more balanced and resilient. Whilst it does not have the same level of flair. The numbers in terms of defence and goal contributions from all areas of the team are an improvement.

Last season you repetitively argued that Farke relied on two players to win games. That argument has dissolved this season. Yet we are on an equivalent points total thus far.

I struggle to understand how you therefore conclude that the squad is not stronger.

You will find I often have said we were unlucky if we are, but in games where we have lots of the ball and create naff all we aren't.

Contrary to what some may think I'm actually quite fair

Boro weren't unlucky to lose as I felt we were overall better but from Carrick's point of view you can see why he said what he said.

I agree we aren't as reliant on two very talented players this season which is a positive.

I think DF is using the squad better this season which is a positive as well.

And I think he is using the bench better.

But I think last season had more talent if you know what I mean?

And I don't think Farke utilised the squad to its full potential.

People like Charlie Cresswell written off now playing for one of the top defences in Ligue 1 this season.

Conor Roberts now the starting right back for the best defence in this league sat 3rd.

Jaidon Anthony has created more chances than any of our wingers statistically.

Joseph is probably being overused this season but he was underused last season

Gray earning very positive reviews this season at Spurs again out of position but we saw his potential as a midfielder when he dominated Caicedo and Fernández in the cup.

I realise I will get the anti Farke accusation but I do think used better last seasons squad was better.

If we take the can't count August and September narrative of last season then we had 3 more points at this stage in what most say was a stronger league.

So not sure how this is a weaker league but we have the same points (or less based on no August and September) but the squad is stronger can be the case?

More balanced? In the sense that its used better? Less reliant on 2 players making it work? Absolutely.

But overall on paper better? Not for me.

[1964white]

Jaidon Anthony has created more chances than any of our wingers statistically.

Gnonto & James have scored more goals & made more assists than Anthony.

Even Ramazani beat Anthony with goals/assists on limited game time.

Soloman only one assist fewer than Anthony.

This obsession with Jaidon Anthony needs to stop.

[mentalcase]

I'm not having that Carrick claptrap about deserving something, ok the pen decision went our way, but how many goals have we had flagged offside that VAR would've given, reminds me of a very bitter Arteta a few seasons ago winging pricks, at least wilder us honest he knows they got what they deserved...f**k all.
One of these days we'll smash a team badly, hope it's a top team as well.
f**k the lot of em.