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Good Morning. It's Monday 13th January, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Whites limp into 4th Round of FA Cup

Leeds United limped into the FA Cup fourth round after a narrow victory against League Two strugglers Harrogate Town, setting up what promises to be a bruising encounter with Millwall (as long as they can overcome Dagenham & Redbridge this evening. Hopes of seeing the stars of tomorrow (Debayo, Crew, Chambers and even Joffy) were dashed when Daniel Farke named a fully strength outfield side, with Guilavogui giving Rodon an hour off, and likewise Joseph deputising for Piroe.

Leeds had 21 attempts on goal, with five on target, forcing two proper saves; perfecting emulating their recent endeavours in the final third. Struggles to convert chances remains a significant issue, evident in their frustrating performance against a team ranked 68 places below them, echoing similar problems faced in the Championship.

The only goal of the game came on the hour mark when Ramazani headed home Solomon's pin point cross at the far post, giving Belshaw no chance. Given the Sulphurites have only conceded a goal less than the bottom club in the football league (Carlisle Utd), they'll certainly take a 1-0 loss at Elland Road.





Are Leeds leaving themselves thin on the ground with Cup run

Whilst Sheffield Utd and Sunderland get to focus all their efforts on promotion, Daniel Farke has apparently set his sights on a Cup run this season. If a gruelling 46 game season isn't hard enough, the gaffer made his intentions known, by fielding an almost fully strength side to ensure progression to the fourth round! Couple that with the amount of players they will lose on International breaks between now and the end of the season, and Leeds are at risk of finding themselves in the same predicament as last March, during the season finale last time round!

Leeds have made their feelings abundantly clear regarding recruitment this month, despite all those around them desperately strengthening. Nobody wants to go out of the Cup to league 2 opposition, but surely promotion must take precedence?


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If no incomings this month no promotion
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pjm2019 wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:51 am If no incomings this month no promotion
Will you give it a rest please?? this is not the place..

You put the same things on every thread, and quite frankly.... it's boring...
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Not the first time this season, and something that seems to be a growing trend against us, is that teams will turn up and sit deep hoping that they can sucker punch us on the break or with a set play. Setting up with Wing Backs that are encouraged to rush forward at every opportunity and players that simply do not know the art of defending and a midfield that can be like a colander when the opposition decides to come forward is asking for trouble. We have scored a fair few goals but it has been tough going and not like we are ripping teams apart game after game. Service to the centre forward is poor and so we will be scrapping like this for the rest of the season IMHO.

As for progressing in the FA Cup - Meh! The magic, romance and the lustre of that competition has long since gone with all the tinkering that has taken place with the organisation of the competition.
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PhoenixUnited wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:00 am Not the first time this season, and something that seems to be a growing trend against us, is that teams will turn up and sit deep hoping that they can sucker punch us on the break or with a set play. Setting up with Wing Backs that are encouraged to rush forward at every opportunity and players that simply do not know the art of defending and a midfield that can be like a colander when the opposition decides to come forward is asking for trouble. We have scored a fair few goals but it has been tough going and not like we are ripping teams apart game after game. Service to the centre forward is poor and so we will be scrapping like this for the rest of the season IMHO.

As for progressing in the FA Cup - Meh! The magic, romance and the lustre of that competition has long since gone with all the tinkering that has taken place with the organisation of the competition.
Agree on the last bit.
They try and big it up but its only 1 of six teams that always or nearly always win it.
It just causes injuries and fixture list pile ups.
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Morning Folks.

We did enough v Harrogate.

And it sets up a mouthwatering encounter with Millwall.

Looking forward to a free flowing end to end encounter..
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pjm2019 wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:51 am If no incomings this month no promotion
I looked at the transfer history of championship clubs that are doing business this month and not very many clubs are bringing in new players, instead it looks like more players are going out on loan.

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Morning all,
Spurs & Brentford showed it’s not easy to break down a well organised team like Harrogate, this was their FA Cup final & they battled for 90 mins and probably deserved extra time, hats off to them. We had no ideas and just kept doing the same thing over and over with the same result, was hard to watch.

I would have been happier if DF had played our reserves and players needing game time but hopefully he’ll have learned by watching Joseph that an injury to Piroe will be a disaster and likewise an injury to Rodon will leave us in serious diffs so that’s the 2 areas that need strengthened now.

I’ve been happy to back DF all season but he’s risking everything on a few players staying fit and maintaining form, a very risky strategy if we fail to make top 2.
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Morning all
I didn't expect a lot of goals hence my 2-0 in the predictor, then again, I didn't expect a full team either so in honesty, that was a poor result, but it was also a very poor performance , not knocking Harrogate, but we should have won that much more convincingly, each time they pressed I dreaded a goal as the cup can dish up, good job Darlow wasn't flapping like meslier does.
It was the perfect opportunity for Guilavogui an Joseph to make their marks, but no, both were pretty poor tbh, Joseph is probably trying a little too hard for his own good, but in the end, if they can't show a bit of class against lowly opposition what chance against championship teams !!

A cup run could easily derail the promotion push, I fully expect us to stay firmly in the top group all season but with teams around us strengthening and us happy to along with what we have ,it will be hard again, will we run out of steam with injuries, suspensions and internationals yet to come !!

No wonder norwich floundered in the PL twice with no additions, you would think Farke of all people would want to strengthen, but it appears we have yet another manager that won't change for anyone, good job history dosen't repeat itself eh.
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Oh, add the world beater Gnonto to those NOT taking their chances.
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48 goals scored with umpteen chances spurned by a profligate attack and yet you say there is poor service to the forwards . We have one of the best defences in the division and you're all piling in on the goalkeeper for virtually every goal scored against us so it must be some midfield colander . Admittedly Rothwell/ Tanaka was a bit dodgy at times away from Elland Road but the Table doesn't lie we are still well on target for 2 points plus .The bonus this year is that if we can emulate last season's post Christmas run it will keep us ahead and possibly extend our lead . As we were playing catch up for most of last season when form fell off and they began to lose ground again it had a huge impact on morale. Ampadu and Gruev are both coming back in fresh and we have 4 goalscoring wingers to rotate so the risks of fatigue are substantially reduced. When your chief promotion rivals come to Elland Road setting up to stop you playing is it any wonder that lesser teams out of fear of being 'ripped apart ' set up similarly and some of them succeed in avoiding that fate .
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ruttermania wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:48 am 48 goals scored with umpteen chances spurned by a profligate attack and yet you say there is poor service to the forwards . We have one of the best defences in the division and you're all piling in on the goalkeeper for virtually every goal scored against us so it must be some midfield colander . Admittedly Rothwell/ Tanaka was a bit dodgy at times away from Elland Road but the Table doesn't lie we are still well on target for 2 points plus .The bonus this year is that if we can emulate last season's post Christmas run it will keep us ahead and possibly extend our lead . As we were playing catch up for most of last season when form fell off and they began to lose ground again it had a huge impact on morale. Ampadu and Gruev are both coming back in fresh and we have 4 goalscoring wingers to rotate so the risks of fatigue are substantially reduced. When your chief promotion rivals come to Elland Road setting up to stop you playing is it any wonder that lesser teams out of fear of being 'ripped apart ' set up similarly and some of them succeed in avoiding that fate .
It doesn't matter if we are on target for two points a game if Sheff U, Burnley and Sunderland (who are all busy strengthening) are too. Admittedly every footballer is going to miss opportunities, but nowhere near as many as Leeds do.

There are tiny margins between 1st and 4th and with our parachute payments ending this Summer, its top 2 or bust.
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The transfer market for our main rivals is underwhelming. It is false to say that everyone else is racing ahead. It is very quiet, I don't know what everybody is panicking about.
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hector wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:58 am Will you give it a rest please?? this is not the place..

You put the same things on every thread, and quite frankly.... it's boring...
We all know your thoughts......
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ruttermania wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:48 am 48 goals scored with umpteen chances spurned by a profligate attack and yet you say there is poor service to the forwards . We have one of the best defences in the division and you're all piling in on the goalkeeper for virtually every goal scored against us so it must be some midfield colander . Admittedly Rothwell/ Tanaka was a bit dodgy at times away from Elland Road but the Table doesn't lie we are still well on target for 2 points plus .The bonus this year is that if we can emulate last season's post Christmas run it will keep us ahead and possibly extend our lead . As we were playing catch up for most of last season when form fell off and they began to lose ground again it had a huge impact on morale. Ampadu and Gruev are both coming back in fresh and we have 4 goalscoring wingers to rotate so the risks of fatigue are substantially reduced. When your chief promotion rivals come to Elland Road setting up to stop you playing is it any wonder that lesser teams out of fear of being 'ripped apart ' set up similarly and some of them succeed in avoiding that fate .
It's your point of view and I accept that but I contend that our defence is fragile when attacked. In the last league game Hull City easily cut through our whole team, front to back when they attacked on a number of occasions and that "one of the best defences in the division" was nowhere to be seen in two of the three City goals. Of course we gifted them a goal through a goalkeeping faux pas but even there their attacker was more alert than our defenders. If they had managed to be a a bit better or clinical in their finishing they might well have nicked all the points. Just saying................

Didn't say a word about the goalkeeping in my post - no piling in from me! Enough of that has been aired on this forum already. Seems pointless now to add more fuel to that particular debate
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pjm2019 wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:51 am If no incomings this month no promotion
That is far too generic and impulsive to say. And if your fortune telling is proven correct then you can stand on a hill and shout at everyone how right you were. But what good does that do? Nothing.

Believe it or not we have a decent squad already...the odd extra addition would be nice but they have to be good enough to add to the quality we already have.
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I accept that there is a high risk factor in the way we set up with a lot of emphasis on the attacking role of the full backs to provide an overload in attacking areas . This on occasion if the ball is lost in transition leaves the backline exposed and creates issues for defenders and the Keeper which leads to them being blamed . This seems to be the main reason for the type of risk avoidance in a lot of build up play which can sometimes be frustrating to watch and is often misinterpreted as a defensive mindset . If Ampadu or Gruev are available to play the defensive midfield role they can provide the cover that prevents some of those type of situations . Neither Rothwell nor Tanaka provide similar levels of cover and against Hull Ampadu played in place of Struijk and therefore wasn't providing the midfield cover which exposed our slower left back Wober and the keeper . As it looks like both Ampadu and Gruev will both be available fairly soon it should be possible to assess that situation more fairly. It will also be interesting to see how DF will set up his midfield with the competing requirements of defensive solidity and attacking intent in mind .
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Sean_Nile wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:23 am The transfer market for our main rivals is underwhelming. It is false to say that everyone else is racing ahead. It is very quiet, I don't know what everybody is panicking about.
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We know the Blades are bringing in Hamza Chowdhary and Ben Breaton Diaz.

Burnley already have the best defence in the league. If they can sort out a striker, they're up.

Sunderland signed Le Fee, a £20m midfielder...
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ruttermania wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:16 pm I accept that there is a high risk factor in the way we set up with a lot of emphasis on the attacking role of the full backs to provide an overload in attacking areas . This on occasion if the ball is lost in transition leaves the backline exposed and creates issues for defenders and the Keeper which leads to them being blamed . This seems to be the main reason for the type of risk avoidance in a lot of build up play which can sometimes be frustrating to watch and is often misinterpreted as a defensive mindset . If Ampadu or Gruev are available to play the defensive midfield role they can provide the cover that prevents some of those type of situations . Neither Rothwell nor Tanaka provide similar levels of cover and against Hull Ampadu played in place of Struijk and therefore wasn't providing the midfield cover which exposed our slower left back Wober and the keeper . As it looks like both Ampadu and Gruev will both be available fairly soon it should be possible to assess that situation more fairly. It will also be interesting to see how DF will set up his midfield with the competing requirements of defensive solidity and attacking intent in mind .
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