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That was the team that was
Documentary worth a watch, a few of our players in there.
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Re: That was the team that was
Also this one

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Re: That was the team that was
What happened to Scottish football?
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When the Leeds players retired, they went down hill fast.

Also, for such a small country , didn't do them any good whatsoever buying from abroad, starving the young scottish kids of their chance.
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They got as far as Derby, got nervous, went home and got their asses kicked at Cullloden
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"Football is about the people and the players,” he said. “Then there are those who will mingle in the middle: the coaches, executives and journalists. That last group represents the worst part about football" Marcelo Bielsa
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Re: That was the team that was
Exactly the same as happened to English football - the influx of mediocre foreign players restricting decent opportunities.
Of course the exceptional talent will always rise to the top, but what of the young talent who need nurturing and top level game experience? They couldn’t break into the sides that historically gave them a go against international players, where they could either sink, or swim, because those spots were suddenly filled with exotic sounding so-called superstars.
I know the question is aimed at Scots, but the same applies to all UK players, in my opinion. History is full of clubs whose first team didn’t include a single UK player. The Home Nations series died because of a lack of home grown quality. Those supporters too young to have seen Scotland or Wales or NI at Wembley every year are missing a treat.
Would the likes of a Paul Madeley have broken into a club team full of foreign mercenaries today? I doubt it. Yet he went on to become a full England regular, the original super-sub.
That Scotland side you picture was no better than the one today, bar a couple of genuine superstars, and they won nothing tangible (tell me, how much silver polish has England bought since 66?).
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Re: That was the team that was
Ahhhh the good old Home Nations series that England & Scotland pulled out of because they thought it beneath them but Northern Ireland still hold to this day. We bought England’s supply of silver polish OB, knowing that they wouldn’t need it again, so we could keep that lovely old trophy gleaming.Orange Box wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:22 am Exactly the same as happened to English football - the influx of mediocre foreign players restricting decent opportunities.
Of course the exceptional talent will always rise to the top, but what of the young talent who need nurturing and top level game experience? They couldn’t break into the sides that historically gave them a go against international players, where they could either sink, or swim, because those spots were suddenly filled with exotic sounding so-called superstars.
I know the question is aimed at Scots, but the same applies to all UK players, in my opinion. History is full of clubs whose first team didn’t include a single UK player. The Home Nations series died because of a lack of home grown quality. Those supporters too young to have seen Scotland or Wales or NI at Wembley every year are missing a treat.
Would the likes of a Paul Madeley have broken into a club team full of foreign mercenaries today? I doubt it. Yet he went on to become a full England regular, the original super-sub.
That Scotland side you picture was no better than the one today, bar a couple of genuine superstars, and they won nothing tangible (tell me, how much silver polish has England bought since 66?).
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As I alluded to above OB, the influx of foriegn players killed it all, England included, although we were shite long before they arrived, going downhill rapidly from around 73 tbh, the 80s were very poor for England.Orange Box wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:22 am Exactly the same as happened to English football - the influx of mediocre foreign players restricting decent opportunities.
Of course the exceptional talent will always rise to the top, but what of the young talent who need nurturing and top level game experience? They couldn’t break into the sides that historically gave them a go against international players, where they could either sink, or swim, because those spots were suddenly filled with exotic sounding so-called superstars.
I know the question is aimed at Scots, but the same applies to all UK players, in my opinion. History is full of clubs whose first team didn’t include a single UK player. The Home Nations series died because of a lack of home grown quality. Those supporters too young to have seen Scotland or Wales or NI at Wembley every year are missing a treat.
Would the likes of a Paul Madeley have broken into a club team full of foreign mercenaries today? I doubt it. Yet he went on to become a full England regular, the original super-sub.
That Scotland side you picture was no better than the one today, bar a couple of genuine superstars, and they won nothing tangible (tell me, how much silver polish has England bought since 66?).
The home internationals were great as you say, went to many both home and away.
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Scotland and Wales had some very good individual players yet just couldn't get it together as a team.
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If you look back to the Scots in 78 or England and N Ireland in 82 as an example.mentalcase wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:05 am As I alluded to above OB, the influx of foriegn players killed it all, England included, although we were shite long before they arrived, going downhill rapidly from around 73 tbh, the 80s were very poor for England.
The home internationals were great as you say, went to many both home and away.
Most of their players were playing at the top level.
Now we have International players from all over the world playing in League One and home grown players dont have the same opportunities to comethrough.
Pity really
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"Football is about the people and the players,” he said. “Then there are those who will mingle in the middle: the coaches, executives and journalists. That last group represents the worst part about football" Marcelo Bielsa
"Football is about the people and the players,” he said. “Then there are those who will mingle in the middle: the coaches, executives and journalists. That last group represents the worst part about football" Marcelo Bielsa
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I remember that team very well , it was like Leeds Utd being at the world cup ....Bremner , Lorimer , Gray , Jordan , McQueen, Harvey ......also Leeds had Steward and Frank Gray as international players too , maybe a little later but to me it really felt like Leeds were there...and they went out but were undefeated.
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Apologies Ian, I replied to you but somehow put it to OB, think we agree on itIrish Ian wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:48 pm If you look back to the Scots in 78 or England and N Ireland in 82 as an example.
Most of their players were playing at the top level.
Now we have International players from all over the world playing in League One and home grown players dont have the same opportunities to comethrough.
Pity really

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Realized Eddie Gray didn't make 74 squad , but Leeds then had a load of Scottish players .......Arthur Harris came along just a little later , John McGovern etc .Clacton White wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:26 pm I remember that team very well , it was like Leeds Utd being at the world cup ....Bremner , Lorimer , Gray , Jordan , McQueen, Harvey ......also Leeds had Steward and Frank Gray as international players too , maybe a little later but to me it really felt like Leeds were there...and they went out but were undefeated.
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Should’ve beaten Brazil but didn’t score enough against Zaire unlike Brazil and Yugoslavia.Clacton White wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 6:53 am Realized Eddie Gray didn't make 74 squad , but Leeds then had a load of Scottish players .......Arthur Harris came along just a little later , John McGovern etc .
Oops I’ve quoted the wrong post