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Good Morning. It's Monday 20th January, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Flattering but we'll take it

Leeds United reclaimed their spot at the top of the Championship table with a convincing 3-0 win over Sheffield Wednesday. Leeds couldn't have asked for a better start, opening the scoring within the first three minutes. A pinpoint through ball from Joel Rothwell sliced open the Wednesday defence, sending Aaronson racing clear. While Wednesday goalkeeper James Beadle reached the ball first, he failed to collect it, instead it parried kindly to the feet of Solomon, who took a touch before hammering home from six yards.

This early goal provided a much-needed boost for the Leeds players, settling their nerves after several below-par performances. Daniel Farke's outfit were by far the better side, but failed to take advantage until two minutes from normal time when Ramazani, an 83rd minute substitute turned on the magic, dancing his way through a sea of orange before finding the back of the net. Ao Tanaka grabbed Leeds third at the death, cheekily back heeling Ramazani's on target strike from the edge of the area, instigated from a well executed corner.





Does Ramazani hold the key to unlock defences

Despite the convincing scoreline, yesterday's performance left much to be desired. Notwithstanding their current status, at the top of the Championship, it's hard not to wonder how the game would have unfolded if they hadn't been handed an early goal. Since their win against Stoke on Boxing Day, Farke's side have struggled to find their rhythm, looking far from the champions they aspire to be. However, one players performance could provide the shot in the arm Leeds need to regain their momentum.

Largie Ramazani's brief appearance on the field was a breath of fresh air, and he seems ready to take on a starting role, perhaps against Norwich in the upcoming match. With Brenden Aaronson sustaining a knee injury, it leaves the door ajar for Largie Ramazani to potentially claim the playmaker position.

Aaronson's seven goals and two assists haven't gone unnoticed, but he hasn't come close to filling the void left by Georginio Rutter; begging the question would a fully fit Ramazani do any better? As the transfer window ticks down, it's looking more unlikely that Leeds are going to bring new faces in, prompting murmurs that the former Manchester Utd forward may hold the key to unlocking opposition defences!


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Morning all
A good win, 3 goals, 3 points, clean sheet, wednesday didn't really bother us apart from set pieces which is the same with every team we play even lowly harrogate.
We did however concede too much in the middle for my liking, but they took no advantage of it.
An early goal settled the nerves a bit but I was always hoping for that 2nd as a cushion just in case one of their high balls into the area caused us to panic again.
Ramazzani is hioefully our last seasons summerville, we have great options on the wings, Is Aaronsen Farkes favourite like Roberts was Bielsas, cause although he runs around a lot, he just falls over at the slightest touch or runs up his own arse (harrison)
3 points weds would be a great week.
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Just to add, a few thought DF would stick with Meslier and so it proved, yes he still flapped, and yes he's definately still shaky, but looking at recent PL goalkeepers' howlers at spurs and moanchester, sort of makes you thinkeh !!
Wednesdays keeper didn't really make a howler for our first, it was a quick ball in and was unsighted and blocked our attacker, the defenders took the easy blame option.
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Illan does not appear in this compilation... so what are you all bitching about? Fifteen clean sheets and still you complain. Even the best make mistakes.

Illan was in the Bielsa team that got us promoted, and he will be in the Farke team that gets us promoted... and he will be our keeper when we win the premiership.
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It was all goi g so well till the last bit Sean.
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mentalcase wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:49 am It was all goi g so well till the last bit Sean.


We will win the prem...in 12 years and Meslier is 36, gone through all his learning and we finally see the player he could be..Just a long wait
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Signed anybody yet?
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"Aaronson's seven goals and two assists haven't gone unnoticed, but he hasn't come close to filling the void left by Georginio Rutter..."

You mean the Rutter who scored six goals all of last season? That Rutter?

The club are on pace to score nearly 10% more goals than last year (we scored 81 last year and are on pace for 89). We're also better defensively and are on pace to concede 33 times while we conceded 43 times last season. Our GD of 32 to this point is only six goals below the entire season last year.

Rutter was full of flash and skill and was a great deal of fun to watch, but this year's team is better than last year's. If Aaronson is out for any significant amount of time we will miss him. We've tried more than one winger in Aaronson's role and none have yet shown they can match him. It's the one position on the pitch we don't go at least two deep.

Have to hand it to Farke and the people in the front office doing the scouting and recruitment. To lose the players we did from last year's team and still end up better this year is remarkable. Kudos.
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My initial reaction was that Ramazani's shot was on target but the more I have looked at I am convinced that it would have been just wide and anyway Tanaka's intervention guaranteed a goal . He backed himself and that is what you require with an attack that is so profligate with chances . One of the podcasts had a stat recently that Aaronson is in the top 4 in the Championship for key passes which suggests that if our chance conversion rate was better that he would have a sackful of assists to go with his 6/7 goals. He is certainly far better than Rutter in terms of scoring because despite the chances he has missed he doesn't look anywhere as near as hapless in front of goal as Giorginio did at times. It would be interesting to see how many of Rutter's assists last season were to Summerville because I suspect that his hot scoring streak last season played a big part in bolstering those assist figures. I get just as annoyed as anybody else when he gets into situations where he gets dispossessed but I'm prepared to make allowances for a lot because he puts in such a phenomenal amount of work which is unlikely to be matched by other candidates for the role whether already in the squad or shiny new toys from the wishlist . Also worth pointing out that without his tremendous run brilliantly found by Rothwell the first goal isn't scored.
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Faint praise is no praise at all, for it reveals a begrudging reluctance to truly acknowledge achievement. 3 points, clean sheet, and top of the league.

Take Leeds United's 3-0 victory, for instance against Sheffield Wednesday, a performance worthy of celebration, yet met with moans and begrudging remarks.

Critics dismissing the win as lacklustre and fortunate, and harping on about the performance of Piroe and Joseph, and who should start first, and going on about missed opportunities, and mind numbing XG stats to prop up their useless arguments, downplaying the skill and determination displayed, the percentage possession, and the 3 goals scored each one brilliant in its own way.

Solomon smashing the ball past two defenders on the goal line, Ramalamadingdong pirouetting like a dancer at the Bolshoi before firing the ball through a sea of legs into the bottom corner, and the icing on the cake a cheeky back heel from Tanaka, worthy of any jugglers trick at a circus.

Instead of recognizing the team's sparkly bits, they fret over every corner and set piece fully expecting a defensive lapse, or lament the opposition's style of play, and how everything has to go through Baldy Barry Bannan.

There is a pall overshadowing what should be a moment of pride and joy... sucking the marrow from the bone of life. Such tepid acknowledgment is not just ungracious but undermines the spirit of achievement and effort, leaving triumphs tainted by unwarranted cynicism.
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John in Louisiana wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:49 pm "Aaronson's seven goals and two assists haven't gone unnoticed, but he hasn't come close to filling the void left by Georginio Rutter..."

You mean the Rutter who scored six goals all of last season? That Rutter?

The club are on pace to score nearly 10% more goals than last year (we scored 81 last year and are on pace for 89). We're also better defensively and are on pace to concede 33 times while we conceded 43 times last season. Our GD of 32 to this point is only six goals below the entire season last year.

Rutter was full of flash and skill and was a great deal of fun to watch, but this year's team is better than last year's. If Aaronson is out for any significant amount of time we will miss him. We've tried more than one winger in Aaronson's role and none have yet shown they can match him. It's the one position on the pitch we don't go at least two deep.

Have to hand it to Farke and the people in the front office doing the scouting and recruitment. To lose the players we did from last year's team and still end up better this year is remarkable. Kudos.
It was the chances that Rutter created that made him the second most important player last season (behind Summerville).
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Irish Ian wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:16 pm Signed anybody yet?
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Ellandback1 wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:16 pm It was the chances that Rutter created that made him the second most important player last season (behind Summerville).
Not trying to say Aaronson is better than Rutter. Rutter gave us a ton of assists last year. What I am saying is that Aaronson is part of a team - a significant part - that is better as a group than last year's. He's come back, kept his mouth shut, worked his tail off every game, and is significantly better than he was two years ago, especially in terms of his physical play.

We'll see just how important he is if his injury is severe. I hope Ramazani can fill the void; I haven't been impressed with Gnonto in that role.
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ruttermania wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:51 pm My initial reaction was that Ramazani's shot was on target but the more I have looked at I am convinced that it would have been just wide and anyway Tanaka's intervention guaranteed a goal . He backed himself and that is what you require with an attack that is so profligate with chances . One of the podcasts had a stat recently that Aaronson is in the top 4 in the Championship for key passes which suggests that if our chance conversion rate was better that he would have a sackful of assists to go with his 6/7 goals. He is certainly far better than Rutter in terms of scoring because despite the chances he has missed he doesn't look anywhere as near as hapless in front of goal as Giorginio did at times. It would be interesting to see how many of Rutter's assists last season were to Summerville because I suspect that his hot scoring streak last season played a big part in bolstering those assist figures. I get just as annoyed as anybody else when he gets into situations where he gets dispossessed but I'm prepared to make allowances for a lot because he puts in such a phenomenal amount of work which is unlikely to be matched by other candidates for the role whether already in the squad or shiny new toys from the wishlist . Also worth pointing out that without his tremendous run brilliantly found by Rothwell the first goal isn't scored.
Leaving the Rutter comparisons aside - irrelevant now - Aaronson is the best we have in the position at the moment. He has plenty to improve in terms of his decision-making and awareness, but mostly does a good job for us week in, week out.

There are more incisive players out there, but as you say, chances created need finished irrespective of who provides them.
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PhoenixUnited wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:26 pm Borg Hall is en route I believe
That's a twist. We're assimilating the Borg.
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John in Louisiana wrote:"Aaronson's seven goals and two assists haven't gone unnoticed, but he hasn't come close to filling the void left by Georginio Rutter..."

You mean the Rutter who scored six goals all of last season? That Rutter?

The club are on pace to score nearly 10% more goals than last year (we scored 81 last year and are on pace for 89). We're also better defensively and are on pace to concede 33 times while we conceded 43 times last season. Our GD of 32 to this point is only six goals below the entire season last year.

Rutter was full of flash and skill and was a great deal of fun to watch, but this year's team is better than last year's. If Aaronson is out for any significant amount of time we will miss him. We've tried more than one winger in Aaronson's role and none have yet shown they can match him. It's the one position on the pitch we don't go at least two deep.

Have to hand it to Farke and the people in the front office doing the scouting and recruitment. To lose the players we did from last year's team and still end up better this year is remarkable. Kudos.
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Stick a knife in Geo day I see...
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ruttermania wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:51 pm My initial reaction was that Ramazani's shot was on target but the more I have looked at I am convinced that it would have been just wide and anyway Tanaka's intervention guaranteed a goal . He backed himself and that is what you require with an attack that is so profligate with chances . One of the podcasts had a stat recently that Aaronson is in the top 4 in the Championship for key passes which suggests that if our chance conversion rate was better that he would have a sackful of assists to go with his 6/7 goals. He is certainly far better than Rutter in terms of scoring because despite the chances he has missed he doesn't look anywhere as near as hapless in front of goal as Giorginio did at times. It would be interesting to see how many of Rutter's assists last season were to Summerville because I suspect that his hot scoring streak last season played a big part in bolstering those assist figures. I get just as annoyed as anybody else when he gets into situations where he gets dispossessed but I'm prepared to make allowances for a lot because he puts in such a phenomenal amount of work which is unlikely to be matched by other candidates for the role whether already in the squad or shiny new toys from the wishlist . Also worth pointing out that without his tremendous run brilliantly found by Rothwell the first goal isn't scored.
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The Subhuman wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:50 pm Stick a knife in Geo day I see...
Nope. And great to see him scoring against the Scum yesterday. :)
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The Subhuman wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:50 pm Stick a knife in Geo day I see...
No way, I love watching him play even now but there is a case for Aaronson being a better fit atm.
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