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Good Morning. It's Monday 17th March, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Leeds rescue a point at Loftus Road

Leeds United demonstrated resilience and tenacity at the weekend, battling back from a two-goal deficit to secure a 2-2 draw at Queens Park Rangers. While the comeback earned them a point, the result leaves Whites fans with mixed emotions as rivals Sheffield United and Burnley closed the gap at the top of the Championship. Leeds remain top of the Championship but only by goal difference, making the race for promotion even tighter.

Leeds faced a nightmare start at Loftus Road, a ground where they've suffered four straight defeats. History seemed to repeat itself as the hosts raced to a 2-0 lead. Koki Saito's spectacular curler, gifted by an unfortunate Aaronson touch, opened the scoring from 20 yards. Captain Steve Cook then compounded Leeds' woes, heading in off the post with half an hour on the clock.

Leeds clawed their way back into the game on 40 minutes. A well-worked move involving Aaronson, Piroe, and Solomon culminated in Firpo stabbing the ball home from close range, though Morgan Fox got the final touch. The introduction of Willy Gnonto at half-time proved concise. The Italian winger injected pace and creativity, setting up the equaliser on 51 minutes.

His incisive pass found Dan James, whose cut-back eventually fell to Jayden Bogle to slot into an empty net. With 40 minutes still left on the clock, Leeds took their foot off the gas, allowing QPR back into the game. Long throws caused havoc in and around the Leeds defence, with Meslier having to be alert to deny Cook his brace, and a last gasp sliding tackle from Struijk to thwart Dunne.





Tired and predictable

There’s an undeniable comfort in a settled starting XI. Teams thrive on consistency, players build chemistry, and fans find comfort in a predictable lineup. However, clinging too rigidly to the same lineup, as Leeds are perhaps finding out, can have its downsides. Injuries inevitably strike, familiarity can breed predictability for opponents, and tiredness will creep in.

At this crucial juncture of the season, introducing fringe players like Chambers, Dėbayo, and Schmidt might be considered too risky, bordering on reckless. Their combined league minutes this season total a paltry 46 mins – a statistic that speaks volumes about Farke’s questionable substitution strategy.

It's not just the lack of rotation among starters, but the inefficient use of Gnonto (152 minutes) and Ramazani (126 minutes) this year. While the walking wounded continue to trudge on, these valuable assets sit on the bench, gathering dust. It was a brave decision to bring Gnonto on at half time at Loftus Road and it paid dividends, though I cannot remember the last time

Criticising past decisions is easy. However, the failure to learn from glaring mistakes is inexcusable. The missed opportunity to strengthen the squad during the transfer window is now bearing bitter fruit. Those teams that did bolster their ranks are reaping the rewards, leaving Leeds vulnerable.

While 21 points remain up for grabs, complacency cannot be afforded. Any further slip-ups could see Leeds tumble out of the top two for the first time this year, a scenario that could culminate in a nerve-wracking play-off final against a resurgent Coventry City under Frank Lampard.


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Consistency gets you to the top of the league. Consistency gets you burn out.

Rotation freshens things up
Rotation means that your ring rusty.

Oh that football were as simple as selecting sweets from a pic and mix.

Trouble is fans don't like the flavours of certain players... however you can become the flavour of the day if your are a full back who scores.
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The decision not to strengthen in January will not be verified as right or wrong until the final reckoning of automatic or play-offs.

I would have taken being top at this point at the beginning of the season, given the sale of our crown jewels in the summer.

The worry is what state do our international players return in?

It's looking like the pivotal date could be 21st April when Blunts and Burnley play each other and we have Stoke at home.
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Sean_Nile wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:44 am Consistency gets you to the top of the league. Consistency gets you burn out.

Rotation freshens things up
Rotation means that your ring rusty.

Oh that football were as simple as selecting sweets from a pic and mix.

Trouble is fans don't like the flavours of certain players... however you can become the flavour of the day if your are a full back who scores.

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It’s never good when I start to look for games where our opponents are going to drop points rather than concentrating on where we will win them. But if Franks Coventry are so resurgent they shouldn’t struggle to take 6 points from Burnley and sheff utd in their next 2 games .

What was a defensively solid team capable of scoring goals has suddenly started making mistakes and being profligate in front of goal. I’m not sold on it being about fatigue, we are just a club that for whatever reason does not handle pressure well.
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“While 21 points remain up for grabs”

Sorry to be pedantic but it’s 24 points up for grabs
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The Subhuman wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:06 am This isn't true if done properly
I just think of Gnonto and Ramazani being given bit piece cameos for a few minutes at the end of games and how ineffectual they have been.

Gnonto excelled when he came on at half time, if you are going to rotate then do it properly... that was a good decision from Farke, as was Rothwell for Gurev against Sheffield united.

I think Farke does not get enough credit when he makes a game altering sub, instead it is his sins of ommision that people focus on, and not just the present season but going back years and years.

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But if Franks Coventry are so resurgent they shouldn’t struggle to take 6 points from Burnley and sheff utd in their next 2 games .
Yes, it would be ironic if Lampard helped us to promotion.
Coventry are looking good at the moment -- I wouldn't like to play them in the playoffs.
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WestgateRun wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:47 am Yes, it would be ironic if Lampard helped us to promotion.
Coventry are looking good at the moment -- I wouldn't like to play them in the playoffs.
They were garbage the last time we played them though and even then they had been on a good run. To be honest though any team in the playoff final would be a problem for us, you could stick Plymouth in there and we would probably lose.
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Prisoner37 wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:54 am The decision not to strengthen in January will not be verified as right or wrong until the final reckoning of automatic or play-offs.

I would have taken being top at this point at the beginning of the season, given the sale of our crown jewels in the summer.

The worry is what state do our international players return in?

It's looking like the pivotal date could be 21st April when Blunts and Burnley play each other and we have Stoke at home.
By the 21st April The Blunts and Burnley may conspire to draw !!
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Tom the Cat wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:06 am By the 21st April The Blunts and Burnley may conspire to draw !!
If our position is that bad then we will deserve it. Personally, I think they will be at one another's throats competing for second place.
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Mornig all
Still top of the league last tme I looked, a point away from home to boot.
2-0 down and fought back, look at the positives............although the negatives of gifting them 2 goals was pretty dire tbh, Aaronson, well, say no more, and the inept defending from firpo for the cross and pathetic sunday league marking for the header, questions need to be asked .
A fortnight to re-set things now, hope we don't get anymore injuries.
Great to see wee willy get a run, lets hope he starts against swansea and keeps Aaronson on the bench.
Plenty points still up for grabs, do we have the bottle this time !!
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Sean_Nile wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:30 am I just think of Gnonto and Ramazani being given bit piece cameos for a few minutes at the end of games and how ineffectual they have been.

Gnonto excelled when he came on at half time, if you are going to rotate then do it properly... that was a good decision from Farke, as was Rothwell for Gurev against Sheffield united.

I think Farke does not get enough credit when he makes a game altering sub, instead it is his sins of ommision that people focus on, and not just the present season but going back years and years.

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It's all year though. 11 or 12 games
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It is an interesting phenomenon that a negative mindset is often linked to defensive pessimism, a psychological strategy where fans expect the worst to prepare for potential disappointment.

Where does it stem from?

Past Trauma:
If a team has a history of failure, fans may develop a conditioned response to expect things to go wrong. It happened to us last year and it is happening again.

Controlled Illusion:
Believing that expecting failure will soften the emotional impact if it happens. Oh no not Wembley again, when did we last win there?

Superstition:
Some think being overly positive will "jinx" their team. Or that the gypsy curse still lingers over Elland Road. The Don has alot to answer for.

Social Influence:
In certain fan cultures, cynicism and skepticism are normalized... and if we loose we have the matchday meltdown, and the pile on to the underperforming player... that Aaronson is not good enough for the USA national team.

Cognitive Bias:
The negativity bias makes people focus more on negative outcomes than positive ones. If the echo chamber we inhabit is a negative one, then it sort of rubs off on us.

Even when the team is doing well, top of the league even, some fans will assume a collapse is inevitable because it aligns with their long-standing fears or past experiences.
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mentalcase wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:38 am Mornig all
Still top of the league last tme I looked, a point away from home to boot.
2-0 down and fought back, look at the positives............although the negatives of gifting them 2 goals was pretty dire tbh, Aaronson, well, say no more, and the inept defending from firpo for the cross and pathetic sunday league marking for the header, questions need to be asked .
A fortnight to re-set things now, hope we don't get anymore injuries.
Great to see wee willy get a run, lets hope he starts against swansea and keeps Aaronson on the bench.
Plenty points still up for grabs, do we have the bottle this time !!
Good post MC, and I think we do have the bottle.
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CUSSIE01 wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:16 pm Good post MC, and I think we do have the bottle.
"Don’t have the bottle" (meaning "don’t have the courage" or "lack nerve") comes from British slang... it likely originates from Cockney rhyming slang, where "bottle" was short for "bottle and glass" (rhyming with "arse").

The phrase "to lose one’s bottle" originally meant to lose control or composure, possibly in reference to losing bowel control due to fear. Over time, "bottle" became associated with bravery, and "having bottle" meant having courage.

By the late 20th century, the phrase evolved into its modern usage, where lacking bottle means lacking the nerve to do something.

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Thing is when Herr Farke does rotate he gets pelters.....

Afternoon all.

Time to get the Joy Division out is it?

Leeds (fans) are falling apart again.


Our biggest problem is not having Ampadu in there to glue the team together. He is our best player. Our KP of yesterday.
Both goals we conceded were from errors.

1 Hate the ball with a perfect pass.
2. Not ready for the quick throw in because we switched off.
Amps fixes both. So who can step up?
Rodon or Struijk. We need them get organised and stop the panic.

TOTL.

You have to fight for what you want.

Let's hope we will.
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WestgateRun wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:47 am Yes, it would be ironic if Lampard helped us to promotion.
Coventry are looking good at the moment -- I wouldn't like to play them in the playoffs.
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Irish Ian wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:33 pm Thing is when Herr Farke does rotate he gets pelters.....

Afternoon all.

Time to get the Joy Division out is it?

Leeds (fans) are falling apart again.


Our biggest problem is not having Ampadu in there to glue the team together. He is our best player. Our KP of yesterday.
Both goals we conceded were from errors.

1 Hate the ball with a perfect pass.
2. Not ready for the quick throw in because we switched off.
Amps fixes both. So who can step up?
Rodon or Struijk. We need them get organised and stop the panic.

TOTL.

You have to fight for what you want.

Let's hope we will.
Do you mean the same Ampedu who got done in behind by Adam Armstrong in the playoff Final ?

Ethan is important to us no doubt but his impact last season when we fell apart during the run in was minimal.
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We've forgotten Amps covering for Struijk had a poor run in last season. He's an ok temp CB but he's a much better DMF
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