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Good Morning. It's Tuesday 24th June, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Meslier expected to fly out to Istanbul later this week

Illan Meslier's time at Elland Road appears to be drawing to a close. The 25-year-old goalkeeper is on the verge of signing with Turkish Super Lig giants Fenerbahçe, ending a tenure marked by both impressive saves and costly errors. Recent reports confirm Meslier has given notice on his rental property, owned by former footballer Micah Richards, solidifying transfer rumors.

Fenerbahçe lead journalist Ekrem Konur spoke with the Breakfast Debate late last night confirming both sides are locked in talks, though a deal is expected to be done, with Meslier expecting to fly out to Istanbul later this week for a medical.

Meslier's form saw him benched by Leeds after a string of mistakes. Allegations of a fractured dressing room atmosphere, further fueled by on-field frustrations from teammates, led to manager Daniel Farke reportedly communicating with the squad via captain Ethan Ampadu. Meslier was subsequently dropped for the final stretch of the season.

His departure is expected to open the door for Newcastle's Nick Pope to join Leeds, pending Newcastle's completion of the acquisition of James Trafford.





Leeds may consider Joseph swap deal

Over the past two years, Leeds United and Real Betis have developed a strange transfer relationship, with Marc Roca and Diego Llorente joining the Seville based club in what can only be described as cut price deals. More recently Junior Firpo joined the La Liga high flyers on a free transfer upon the expiration of his contract too.

The latest chapter in this unfolding narrative involves Mateo Joseph. Real Betis want to bring the young forward back to his native Spain, however, the two clubs currently find themselves at an impasse regarding the transfer fee. Leeds are holding out for a minimum of £8.5 million, while Betis has tabled an offer of £6.9 million.

In a twist of fate, Leeds are now keen to sign Betis defender Natan, but have been quoted a hefty price tag of £38.5m. This has led to speculation that a player-plus-cash deal could be on the cards, with Joseph potentially being used as a makeweight in the transfer. Whether Leeds are genuinely interested in signing Natan, especially after completing the Bijol deal, remains to be seen.

A comparison of the stats between Natan and Bijol reveals that the two players are evenly matched. This raises questions about the valuation of Natan, with many arguing that he is grossly overpriced; however, the possibility of a player-plus-cash deal could be a possibility.

Bijol started his career as a defensive midfielder, and is more than competent in the middle of the park.
He's also comfortable with both feet, and has filled in at left-back before. Whilst this could open up a vacancy in defensive, it's highly unlikely, given the kind of money Betis are looking for.

Leeds face significant squad deficiencies, with glaring needs in goal, left-back, left-wing, attacking midfield, and up front. In this context, Natan, at the quoted price, represents a luxury the club can ill afford, regardless of his perceived quality from last season. The focus remains on addressing more pressing positional needs.


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A few things don't make a lot of sense

Natan is a centre back
Joseph is worth more than 6-8 M by a distance
Why would Farke use Ampadu to do his dirty work?
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Lets not do the player in the wrong position again. Push comes to shove any player can play any position, just not very well. Don't want a slow CB playing LWB particularly
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There's a whisper that there’s a flight from Southampton to Leeds east arriving this morning with Aaron Ramsdale on board
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Ellandback1 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:14 am There's a whisper that there’s a flight from Southampton to Leeds east arriving this morning with Aaron Ramsdale on board
If he is not good enough for Arsenal then he is not good enough for Leeds... and besides he didn't do Southampton any favours.
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The Subhuman wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:22 am A few things don't make a lot of sense

Natan is a centre back
Joseph is worth more than 6-8 M by a distance
Why would Farke use Ampadu to do his dirty work?
Agree, we don't need another centre-back, especially a Bijol can use both feet.

jOSEPH MUST BE WORTH £12M of anyone's money

Amps was the mediator. Suppose some of the players found it easier talking to him, than the Manager
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Joseph unproven at anything other than U21 level

Potential possibly but not guaranteed.

Looked out of his depth against England U21s the other night

So certainly not worth more than 10 million ,if that.

A loan would be best for all parties, but might be best to cash in now?

I think his head is in Spain anyway.
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whiteinfrance wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:36 am Joseph unproven at anything other than U21 level

Potential possibly but not guaranteed.

Looked out of his depth against England U21s the other night

So certainly not worth more than 10 million ,if that.

A loan would be best for all parties, but might be best to cash in now?

I think his head is in Spain anyway.
No he didn't, best player for Spain first half, created the goal, set up 3/4 other chances. .. did ok second half.
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All about opinions, with Joseph, and that is what makes it so tricky. So far there is no real evidence to point to why he could become some sort of superstar, no flurry of goals, no evidence that he could cut it even in the championship as a striker.

He may become a great but 5 years ago many expected Meslier to kick on and become a great keeper but he has still yet to improve despite 5 years of playing matches. Joseph may well follow the same path and all those that were screaming for Joseph to be starting, at the end of the 23/24 season, got their wish at the start of the 24/25 season and sadly he produced very little.

For me if we get a decent fee then I would sell and another club can take the risk/reward route. For me I don't think we can afford to gamble with him as a striker for us this season if Piroe and Nmecha got injured. If we got a decent loan offer though and he was guaranteed game time then I would let him go, however if he was to go out on loan and not start out well he could simply be on the bench elsewhere.
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Nmecha will get 20 minutes here and there. He isn't going to have a big impact
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whiteinfrance wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:36 am Joseph unproven at anything other than U21 level

Potential possibly but not guaranteed.

Looked out of his depth against England U21s the other night

So certainly not worth more than 10 million ,if that.

A loan would be best for all parties, but might be best to cash in now?

I think his head is in Spain anyway.
Agreed, I'd cash in now. Don't think he's going to be close to premier league level for quite a while, if ever. We can reinvest that money now in players ready to help us survive this year
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Ellandback1 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:01 am Nmecha will get 20 minutes here and there. He isn't going to have a big impact
Depends how he performs pre and early season. If he lives up to earler predictions of his ability, he might surprise us all. :duno:
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whiteinfrance wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:36 am

A loan would be best for all parties

I think his head is in Spain anyway.
I certainly agree with those two comments.
I think he wants a move to Spain and I think it will happen before the start of the season.
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whiteinfrance wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:36 am Joseph unproven at anything other than U21 level

Potential possibly but not guaranteed.

Looked out of his depth against England U21s the other night

So certainly not worth more than 10 million ,if that.

A loan would be best for all parties, but might be best to cash in now?

I think his head is in Spain anyway.
Do you need 2 passports for that?
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I personally do not understand why his value is intrinsically linked to one game playing for Spain’s under 21’s, which is alluded to by a few posts over the past week. I haven’t watched the game and I have no intention to do so. Whether he had a good game or a bad game is immaterial in terms of his value and potential, although it could be considered as an outlier to discuss his fitness and form at that specific point in time.

Suggesting that we should sell based upon one rather meaningless game in the context of his career, potential and value is something I find rather bizarre.
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Jaydog wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:45 am Do you need 2 passports for that?
Are you presently exploring the possibilities of getting head in Spain?
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Ellandback1 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:01 am Nmecha will get 20 minutes here and there. He isn't going to have a big impact
That is a rather wild arsed guess. You mentioned in yesterday’s forum debate about fans having optimism on a subject. Football fans and optimism are not two subjects that I would include in the same sentence as a general rule. Especially on this forum and actually on any fan forum.

I would chance that it will only take one bad pass by Bivol in a pre season friendly for some to say we have over paid and he is not an upgrade on what we already had.
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DDB220 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:50 am I personally do not understand why his value is intrinsically linked to one game playing for Spain’s under 21’s, which is alluded to by a few posts over the past week. I haven’t watched the game and I have no intention to do so. Whether he had a good game or a bad game is immaterial in terms of his value and potential, although it could be considered as an outlier to discuss his fitness and form at that specific point in time.

Suggesting that we should sell based upon one rather meaningless game in the context of his career, potential and value is something I find rather bizarre.
Totally agree.

One benchmark is when Liverpool sold Brewster to Sheff Utd for £20M. There will of course be others but potential and especially for strikers costs decent money to acquire.
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Jammy 07 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:58 am Totally agree.

One benchmark is when Liverpool sold Brewster to Sheff Utd for £20M. There will of course be others but potential and especially for strikers costs decent money to acquire.
That was a ridiculous purchase for a lad his age, with little or no top level experience, primarily based on having scored a few goals at the U17’s World Cup. That price tag must have placed huge expectation on Brewster. He may still come good but his record thus far suggests otherwise.

Joseph hasn’t played enough 1st team football for me to draw any firm conclusions on his potential. But there have been enough glimpses to suggest he is worth holding onto in the short term and a loan for me is the most sensible option, providing we get enough squad depth, which has been a huge issue for the past 4/5 years. Hopefully we have turned a corner.
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Rhian Brewster has a 40M buy back option too which kinda illustrates how highly he was rated. Injuries have screwed him over badly though unfortunately or he could, indeed, have lived up to that potential. .
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