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Good Morning. It's Monday 10th November, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Auf Wiedersehen Farke?

Daniel Farke’s tenure as Leeds United manager is hanging by a thread. Consecutive defeats to Brighton and Nottingham Forest have left the Whites perilously close to the drop zone, just one point clear of danger. The timing could scarcely be worse. A newly revived Aston Villa, hot on the back of thrashing Bournemouth 4-0 awaits the Whites after the International Break, before a punishing run against Manchester City, Chelsea, and Liverpool threatens to deepen the crisis. It’s not merely the six losses that carry alarm bells, nor even the six goals conceded in the last two outings, it’s the intangible but unmistakable loss of momentum.

Inside the club, sources hint at a split in the boardroom over Farke’s future, with his continued stay owed partly to sponsor support and a desire to avoid further turmoil after the team’s recent promotion. Yet, even loyal supporters are beginning to ask whether the German is coaxing all he can from a squad widely acknowledged to be short on depth and quality. And while the 49ers ownership group must answer for a tepid summer transfer window, there is a growing sentiment that Leeds may need a manager capable of transcending his tools, before the clock finally runs out on Daniel Farke.





Marco Rose emerges as clear favourite for ER hot seat

Online betting site talkSPORT BET have released a tantalising list of potential successors for when the axe falls on Daniel Farke. Topping the list at 11/8 is Marco Rose, the 49-year-old former Borussia Dortmund and RB Leipzig gaffer who’s been waiting for the right opportunity since leaving Leipzig in March. Intriguingly, he reportedly held talks recently with the 49ers over the Rangers post! It would be nieve to suggest that Leeds were not part of the conversation?

Links between Rose and Leeds club run deeper than shared ambition. Red Bull, the global energy drinks giant that owns RB Leipzig (where Rose last managed) also holds a 10% stake in the Whites. On paper, it’s no more than a commercial investment, but in football, such connections often spark more substantial conversations behind closed doors.

His track record in the Red Bull football network, built on high-intensity pressing, quick transitional play, and a commitment to developing young talent, mirrors the on-field profile Leeds have often aspired to. For a club still shaping its Premier League identity, the idea of combining a tactician with proven Red Bull pedigree and an existing corporate tie-up feels like more than mere coincidence.

Hot on his heels at 3/1 is Brendan Rodgers, just off a stint with Celtic and said to be eyeing a Premier League return. Then come big-name outsiders like Steven Gerrard (8/1), Michael Carrick (14/1), and Norwegian success story Kjetil Knutsen (14/1). Even England boss Gareth Southgate makes an appearance at 20/1, worth noting he lives just outside Harrogate.





Full talkSPORT BET Odds – Next Leeds United Manager;

Marco Rose – 11/8
Brendan Rodgers – 3/1
Steven Gerrard – 8/1
Michael Carrick – 14/1
Kjetil Knutsen – 14/1
Erik ten Hag – 16/1
Gary O’Neil – 16/1
Ange Postecoglou – 16/1
Mark Robins – 16/1
Robbie Keane – 20/1
Ralph Hasenhuttl – 20/1
Edin Terzic – 20/1
Russell Martin – 20/1
Frank Lampard – 20/1
Gareth Southgate – 20/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer – 25/1
Sergio Conceição – 25/1
Kevin Muscat – 25/1
Giovanni van Bronckhorst – 25/1
Adi Hütter – 25/1
Derek McInnes – 25/1
David Moyes – 33/1
Rui Borges – 33/1
Rui Vitória – 33/1
Eduardo Coudet – 33/1
Thiago Motta – 33/1
Igor Tudor – 33/1
Gennaro Gattuso – 33/1
Henrik Rydström – 33/1
Michael Skubala – 33/1
Michael Beale – 33/1
Ruud van Nistelrooy – 33/1
José Luis Mendilibar – 33/1
Pedro Martins – 33/1
Bruno Lage – 33/1
Carlos Carvalhal – 33/1
Steve Clarke – 33/1
Rob Edwards – 50/1
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Rose hasn't last long at the five clubs he has managed.
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Southgate could get the bus in.
Then park it.

Imagine the psr savings!

Did you notice that some other PL sides are on a losing run?

I wonder if fans if Fulham, Newcastle and Liverpool are doing their best Corporal Jones impressions this weekend too..

More than likely.


Let hysteria reign.
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I’ve been waiting for the dreaded “ we have total confidence in Daniel “ statement to drop but it’s still black smoke from the chimney. No point wasting time stressing about a new manager yet, I fully expect the owners to be as slow making that decision as they were in signing players in the summer.
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Irish Ian wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 8:57 am Southgate could get the bus in.
Then park it.

Imagine the psr savings!

Did you notice that some other PL sides are on a losing run?

I wonder if fans if Fulham, Newcastle and Liverpool are doing their best Corporal Jones impressions this weekend too..

More than likely.


Let hysteria reign.
I’d perhaps concede hysteria if we were playing ok and losing but the fall off in performances is pretty dramatic, something is going on and of course the fingers will be pointed at the manager first. I don’t think they will sack him yet, but the fans are not wrong to expect better than this, the squad isn’t great but it’s capable of more, we’ve seen it
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On the other side of the coin, Daniel Farke is 4/1 to be the next Norwich manager!
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The pressing from last season was left there. I know we don’t have the players to go one on one but we are giving teams a free run at our goal.

DF has moved from an attacking side to a defensive set up. A lot has been lost in the transition. I think it’s mostly down to his inability to successfully instigate the latter.

We are a very poor team at the moment. The players look like they are lost tactically wise. The bones of the side are used to being primarily on the front foot. The change to being more defensively minded looks to have backfired.

Sit back against Premier League players and eventually they’ll find a way through. After the inevitable happens we do not have the ware with all to get back in the game.

I was definitely on the side of giving DF a chance. That has now evaporated into the ether.

Can’t see him changing this around. Time for a change.
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WhiteRose wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 9:15 am I’d perhaps concede hysteria if we were playing ok and losing but the fall off in performances is pretty dramatic, something is going on and of course the fingers will be pointed at the manager first. I don’t think they will sack him yet, but the fans are not wrong to expect better than this, the squad isn’t great but it’s capable of more, we’ve seen it
I am not one for hysteria (I hope many on here will have seen that) yet I think it is now time for change. We are 11 games into a season (12 incl the wendies debacle) and I think we have enough proof points to show this isn't working. WE are inept at creating a meaningful attacking threat. The defence is so easily cut apart. The player are not biting and fighting enough (especially from the back to middle). There aren't any players looking to take the ball up the pitch and hold to play others in (i.e. not breaking lines). This is not a solitary reaction to yesterday but a building trend over 8 games.

I think WR hits it on the head, this squad is capable of more. We're not seeing others get a chance to play when there are other options available, and whilst I accept they are not Messi levels of alternative, they are alternatives.

Piroe - a sharp shooter who can score...can't we create a situation where he can thrive.
Tanaka - Able to pass progressively
Gnonto - wants to be loved and believed in...then he will create.
Ramarazani - left because he couldn't see a path through Farke
Mateo - couldn't see a path through Farke
Joffy - couldn't see a path through Farke
Sam Chambers, Charlie Crew, Harry Gary - while we can't bet the house on them, we can try some different things and these players will be:
A) Committed
B) Not scared
C) Unexpected

Arsenal threw on their 17 year old wonder kid and he was decent. Nearly scored! Farke will never do this and the result is the up and coming talent leaves.

In summary, this is time for change and in the next 2 weeks. Last time we had this situation we had Marsch floundering with stats of how strong we were but the results didn't materialise. He fluked a result at Liverpool in early Nov - which then bought him a window to do more damage until mid January. We must not let that happen again. Farke may fluke a result in the next 4 matches which means we hang on, whilst totally understanding the inevitable - that this side is not progressing, and not looking like it will win points.

Time for change (non-emotional and very pragmatic)
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I've never been one for knee-jerk, but the trend in performances is worrying and if there is to be a change, it needs to happen sooner rather than later. DF deserved his crack at the Prem, and he has been let down by the board re recruitment (the tea lady knew we needed a creative midfielder and a top level striker, neither of which we got), but he seems unable or unwilling to change things and it feels like that will certainly lead to his downfall. Having said that, and I know there is a specific thread, but I have zero faith in the board finding the right replacement. Tough times
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The 49ers being progressive and based in California have taken a data driven approach to finding a new manager to replace Daniel Farke, and it is base on how successful the new manager would be at making vegan sauerkraut. Here are the results.

Marco Rose – 11/8
Leipzig’s pickle-prince. Uses Himalayan pink salt mined by ethically sourced yaks, vegan flex, but adds pork schnitzel for “texture.” Disqualified.

Brendan Rodgers – 3/1
Motivates the cabbage with TED Talks on chlorophyll. Swaps salt for Celtic sea flakes, but sneaks in a whey-based probiotic. Sneaky non-vegan.

Steven Gerrard – 8/1
Slide-tackles the jar, spills brine, replaces it with chicken stock “for depth.” Vegan red card.

Erik ten Hag – 16/1
Runs a 100% vegan lab: miso paste for umami, kimchi juice for kick. Bacteria press higher than a Tottenham full-back. Almost perfect, until he fines the jar for containing trace honey. Non vegan.

Ange Postecoglou – 16/1
Goes full Aussie vegan: ferments with Vegemite (yeast extract, tick), adds wattleseed for crunch. Tastes like a bushfire in a good way. Top-tier plant power. In contention.

Ralph Hasenhuttl – 20/1
“Bunny hutch” barrel is adorable, lined with oat straw. Uses kosher salt only...vegan win, until he invites the Easter bunny for a schnitzel tasting.

Frank Lampard – 20/1
Spends £200m on organic purple cabbage flown in from Tibet. Forgets salt, adds clarified butter “for richness.” Vegan bankruptcy.

Gareth Southgate – 20/1
Vegan to the semis: faba brine, pickle juice tactics. Then subs in a beef stock cube “to manage the game.” Disqualified.

David Moyes – 33/1
Grinds out a gritty vegan kraut with roadside cabbage and table salt. Tastes like boiled boots.

Rob Edwards – 50/1
Builds a vegan kraut empire from plastic seats, foraged dandelions, and Luton rain. Zero animal inputs, maximum bubbles. The people’s plant-powered champion. Hired.
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I do think it is hysteria concerning DF.

His performance legacy at this level was always an issue. Whilst I accept we did not get in the offensive stardust the team started pretty decently, Arsenal performance aside.

But this slide we are now on is reminiscent of his Norwich tenure. If the performance level was stable and we were in games and competitive but losing I would have more faith in his ability to arrest the slide, but even that has gone. We are getting progressively worse and this is where his legacy comes under the microscope.

The body language of the players is awful, I did not see much fight in the reaction to going 2-1 down. There was an air of acceptance and heads dropping. Even the players who were replaced showed little or no emotion, zero disappointment in getting subbed.

Avoiding relegation is about momentum, we look sluggish and stale as a side right now. The performance level has dropped significantly in the last 3-4 games.

Hoping that Farke will somehow reverse this slide is difficult to comprehend for me.

I am not hung up on the result, it was the team performance that sets my alarm bells ringing. Quite simply for me there is a lack of belief and I consider that as crucial.
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It's not the guitarist it's the guitar.

It's missing strings and the neck is cracked. You can change the player all you want but ain't nobody getting a tune out of that thing.

Injuries and lack of talent are the issue. I understand the desire to do something, so go ahead and change the manager. Won't make a difference though.
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One thing was on my mind is how shambolic we have been at the back of late

Especially bad since we had that Rodon, Bijol, Ampadu triangle in the middle which is at the heart of the problem.

If I was Farke I would insist the club recall those three from International duty and get them working on the training ground. Two weeks to sort out their obvious lack of understanding.
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If he's still here by the end of the day, then he obviously isn't going. The new manager needs as long as possible to get bedded in. Unfortunately the 49ers don't have the balls to be ruthless. It's pointless making a change when we're 10 points adrift of safety as no one will come, nor should we give up at this stage of the season and act like it's a reality.
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Clitheroe White wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 9:48 am I am not one for hysteria (I hope many on here will have seen that) yet I think it is now time for change. We are 11 games into a season (12 incl the wendies debacle) and I think we have enough proof points to show this isn't working. WE are inept at creating a meaningful attacking threat. The defence is so easily cut apart. The player are not biting and fighting enough (especially from the back to middle). There aren't any players looking to take the ball up the pitch and hold to play others in (i.e. not breaking lines). This is not a solitary reaction to yesterday but a building trend over 8 games.

I think WR hits it on the head, this squad is capable of more. We're not seeing others get a chance to play when there are other options available, and whilst I accept they are not Messi levels of alternative, they are alternatives.

Piroe - a sharp shooter who can score...can't we create a situation where he can thrive.
Tanaka - Able to pass progressively
Gnonto - wants to be loved and believed in...then he will create.
Ramarazani - left because he couldn't see a path through Farke
Mateo - couldn't see a path through Farke
Joffy - couldn't see a path through Farke
Sam Chambers, Charlie Crew, Harry Gary - while we can't bet the house on them, we can try some different things and these players will be:
A) Committed
B) Not scared
C) Unexpected

Arsenal threw on their 17 year old wonder kid and he was decent. Nearly scored! Farke will never do this and the result is the up and coming talent leaves.

In summary, this is time for change and in the next 2 weeks. Last time we had this situation we had Marsch floundering with stats of how strong we were but the results didn't materialise. He fluked a result at Liverpool in early Nov - which then bought him a window to do more damage until mid January. We must not let that happen again. Farke may fluke a result in the next 4 matches which means we hang on, whilst totally understanding the inevitable - that this side is not progressing, and not looking like it will win points.

Time for change (non-emotional and very pragmatic)
Half of those players couldn't hack it in the championship last season. Just because they haven't played for us this season doesn't automatically mean they're suddenly better than what we have. Arsenal threw on a 17 year old when they were 3 nil up, coasting in a game on which they were massively on top. When are we ever in such a luxury situation?! It would just be throwing them under the bus.

Saying that, I agree with most of the rest of your comments
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Irish Ian wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 11:40 am One thing was on my mind is how shambolic we have been at the back of late

Especially bad since we had that Rodon, Bijol, Ampadu triangle in the middle which is at the heart of the problem.

If I was Farke I would insist the club recall those three from International duty and get them working on the training ground. Two weeks to sort out their obvious lack of understanding.
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danhirons wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 12:40 pm Half of those players couldn't hack it in the championship last season. Just because they haven't played for us this season doesn't automatically mean they're suddenly better than what we have. Arsenal threw on a 17 year old when they were 3 nil up, coasting in a game on which they were massively on top. When are we ever in such a luxury situation?! It would just be throwing them under the bus.

Saying that, I agree with most of the rest of your comments
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The Subhuman wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:00 pm How do you know they couldn't hack it?
because they couldn't hack it in the championship...not as if any of the ones out on loan have been performing well either

Not talking about Gnonto and Tanaka obviously - but they have played this season (Gnonto has just been injured)
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danhirons wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 12:40 pm Half of those players couldn't hack it in the championship last season. Just because they haven't played for us this season doesn't automatically mean they're suddenly better than what we have. Arsenal threw on a 17 year old when they were 3 nil up, coasting in a game on which they were massively on top. When are we ever in such a luxury situation?! It would just be throwing them under the bus.

Saying that, I agree with most of the rest of your comments
Thanks DH - I also fully appreciate 3-0 up is very different to 3-1 down. I think it's the lack of appetite for risk that frustrates me.
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danhirons wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:03 pm because they couldn't hack it in the championship...not as if any of the ones out on loan have been performing well either

Not talking about Gnonto and Tanaka obviously - but they have played this season (Gnonto has just been injured)
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