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Good Morning. It's Tuesday 11th November, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Odds plummit on Farke departure

Speculation over Daniel Farke’s future at Leeds United intensified yesterday as betting markets reacted sharply to rumours that his days are numbered. Odds on Farke being the next Premier League manager to be sacked plummeted from 2/1 in the morning; a price that would have tripled a punter’s stake, to just 1/2 by the afternoon, following a surge in wagers.

Such a dramatic shift suggests mounting expectations that the 49ers will act sooner rather than later. On the pitch, the situation is precarious: Leeds sit only one point above the relegation zone, and recent performances have lacked both consistency and cutting edge. Concerns over defensive frailty, an inability to turn possession into goals, and a worrying run of results against relegation rivals have added to the pressure on the German coach.





Sutton leaps to defence of Farke

Former player, now pundit Chris Sutton has stepped in to defend Leeds United manager Daniel Farke, as calls for the German’s dismissal grow louder. Speaking on BBC Radio 5 Live’s 606 phone-in show on Sunday, Sutton challenged the narrative that Farke should be sacked, asking listeners whether Leeds’ struggles are truly down to him, or poor recruitment during the summer.

Sutton’s comments highlight a key issue facing Leeds this season - the quality of their summer transfer activity. By most accounts, recruitment was underwhelming, leaving Farke with limited options and arguably a weaker squad than needed for top flight survival. Given Farke’s track record in the Championship, Sutton believes the German could yet prove his worth, particularly if Leeds find themselves back in the second tier next season.

Yet supporters and critics remain divided. Whilst Farke is operating under challenging circumstances, he is failing to get the most out of the players at his disposal. Questions linger over tactical decisions, team motivation, and the ability to adapt to the demands of the Premier League. Even if Sutton’s defence of Farke carries weight, it does not erase concerns over Farke's shortcomings.

The 49ers face a tough decision. Relegation - but be well prepared to bounce back up again, or make changes NOW in the hope a new Manager will be able to get more out of the players, survive the season, and continue the rebuild project next summer!

No, I don’t agree [Farke needs to go]. I like a long-term strategy. If Daniel Farke isn’t responsible for the recruitment and Leeds aren’t performing at the level, difficult enough to come out of the Championship.




Poor useage of substitutions is a regular pattern

talkSPORT’s resident provocateur, Adrian Durham, has waded into the ongoing debate over Daniel Farke’s tenure at Elland Road, questioning whether the German has what it takes to keep the club in the Premier League. Known for his unapologetic and often divisive takes, Durham echoed concerns that have been voiced by large sections of the ER faithful since Farke’s arrival in July 2023 - particularly regarding his in-game management and substitutions.

Speaking on the station yesterday, Durham acknowledged that Farke could point to squad limitations as a mitigating factor in Leeds’ recent struggles. However, he argued that the real issue lies in the manager’s reactive approach during matches. According to Durham, Farke’s tendency to delay tactical changes until the situation becomes critical is a recurring flaw, one that contrasts sharply with the proactive strategies employed by top Premier League bosses. “The better managers,” Durham noted, “stem the problem before it gets out of hand,” suggesting Farke’s inability to anticipate trouble is costing Leeds valuable points.

While Durham was careful to add that he likes Farke personally and respects his character, his overarching message was clear: sentiment cannot outweigh results. Leeds’ priority is survival, and if performances do not improve, Durham believes a managerial change is likely in January. His comments tap into growing frustration among supporters who feel the club’s ambitions are being undermined by tactical hesitancy.

Whether Durham’s prediction comes to pass remains to be seen, but his remarks have once again stirred the pot, placing more pressure on Farke to deliver results - and to start making bolder, swifter decisions from the dugout. In a season where every point matters, hesitation might just prove costly.

You are right about the squad, so Daniel Farke can point to that, but I’d look at in game as well, he did not make changes until it was too late, and that is on him. “That is a regular pattern, he is too reactionary, he can’t see things happening before they happen, and the better Premier League managers can do that, therefore, they stem the problem before it gets out of hand. “I think that is one issue counting against him, listen, I’ve interviewed him, I like him as a bloke, but Leeds need to stay in the Premier League, and I can see a change coming in January.

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When toxic comments flood social media, they don’t just express frustration... they feed the system that amplifies negativity. Platforms like X, Facebook, and YouTube are built on engagement, and the algorithm doesn’t care whether that engagement is positive or hostile.

Anger, outrage, and despair trigger more replies, more shares, and longer viewing times, which signals to the algorithm that this is “popular” content. So, the more people rage about Daniel Farke’s supposed failings or the possibility of his sacking, the more those posts are pushed into other users’ feeds.

As those emotionally charged takes circulate, users who already feel anxious or pessimistic about Leeds United see their own fears confirmed and amplified.

Gradually, social media turns into an echo chamber where frustration bounces endlessly between like-minded fans, each one reinforcing the next. Rational discussion fades away... and the happy clappy crowd are silenced by the rage of the frustrated.

When betting odds shift, such as Farke’s odds dropping from 2/1 to 1/2, that information becomes fuel for even more speculation and negativity. People assume “the bookies must know something,” and the toxic cycle accelerates... and self fulfilling prophecies are born.

The more fans react, the more visibility those reactions get, and soon the narrative of an impending sacking feels inevitable... even if it’s largely driven by online hysteria.

In the end, it’s not just the algorithm that’s toxic, it’s the feedback loop between human emotion and the machine counting clicks numbers an thumbs up/thumbs down. The outrage feeds the algorithm, the algorithm feeds the outrage, and both together distort the perception of what’s really happening at the club.

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I dont think DF will go before the Villa game but another poor performance and defeat and i think the board will act.
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Chilli D wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:55 am I dont think DF will go before the Villa game but another poor performance and defeat and i think the board will act.
Yes, lose at ER & the atmosphere becomes toxic, the writing will be on the boardroom wall.
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Chilli D wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:55 am I dont think DF will go before the Villa game but another poor performance and defeat and i think the board will act.
I agree Chilli. My worry is this is the equivalent of the Liverpool fluke that we saw with Jesse which led to another 2 months of dire results.

Also betting on manager changes is a total mugs game! A joke market driven by wild frenetic assumptions and gossip. Almost irrelevant story.
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Maybe the decision is already made.
Rodgers & Rose currently unemployed.
Perhaps we beat Villa and he still goes.
Daft things like that have happened before.
And people want the board to be organised.
Based on their decision to employ Farke then Rodgers would seem most likely.
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In yesterday's poll, everybody wanted Farke sacked.

In the parallel poll, everybody agreed they don't trust the owners to appoint a competent successor.

Go figure.
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Clitheroe White wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:11 am I agree Chilli. My worry is this is the equivalent of the Liverpool fluke that we saw with Jesse which led to another 2 months of dire results.

Also betting on manager changes is a total mugs game! A joke market driven by wild frenetic assumptions and gossip. Almost irrelevant story.
100% CW. Anyone that looks at those markets is a damn fool. Somewhere out there BB is laughing 😆
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Carrick Dave wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:20 am In yesterday's poll, everybody wanted Farke sacked.

In the parallel poll, everybody agreed they don't trust the owners to appoint a competent successor.

Go figure.
Polls, parallel polls. I cant keep up.
I’m surprised Cjay hasn’t offered us some insight in to the possible candidates. Passes the time…
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Think all of us could see the improvement in Forest after the 3 substitutions at the 59 minute mark. Farke however decided to do nothing as he was focused on the scoreline rather the game that was unfolding in front of him. Also 3 goals all conceded from the same area of the field (left back), as well as 2 at Brighton in the previous match should be telling him we have a massive defensive problem there.
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Jammy 07 wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:27 am Think all of us could see the improvement in Forest after the 3 substitutions at the 59 minute mark. Farke however decided to do nothing as he was focused on the scoreline rather the game that was unfolding in front of him. Also 3 goals all conceded from the same area of the field (left back), as well as 2 at Brighton in the previous match should be telling him we have a massive defensive problem there.
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Carrick Dave wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:32 am What, about 6ft 4 Jammy?
I'm 8ft 3 so hopefully will be getting a call :)
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At the moment we are effectively playing 3 midfielders who are naturally holding midfielders and we are still piss poor defensively whilst killing our attack. We also have what ever Aaronson is on the right wing. Which leaves us really with okofor and DCL as what you would call pure attacking players. It would be much more balanced to have Stach at 6 tanaka/longstaff as number 8s, James on the right and Gnonto playing off DCL oh and Ampadu at centre back.
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Jammy 07 wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:27 am Think all of us could see the improvement in Forest after the 3 substitutions at the 59 minute mark. Farke however decided to do nothing as he was focused on the scoreline rather the game that was unfolding in front of him. Also 3 goals all conceded from the same area of the field (left back), as well as 2 at Brighton in the previous match should be telling him we have a massive defensive problem there.
Of course Forest didnt have Jack Harrison and players carrying injuires to call on like Farke did,


Re the odds on Farke being sacked,.

The bookies set the odds based on what money is being placed, not what insight they have on anything happening at the club.

In light of that the odds are a poor indicator of anything but fools being easily parted with their money
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Irish Ian wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:38 am Of course Forest didnt have Jack Harrison and players carrying injuires to call on like Farke did,


Re the odds on Farke being sacked,.

The bookies set the odds based on what money is being placed, not what insight they have on anything happening at the club.

In light of that the odds are a poor indicator of anything but fools being easily parted with their money
If the odds revert back to 2/1 I'm banging £50 on then :)
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Carrick Dave wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:20 am In yesterday's poll, everybody wanted Farke sacked.

In the parallel poll, everybody agreed they don't trust the owners to appoint a competent successor.

Go figure.
It's terrible that people don't want to give Farke a chance... :shock:
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Jammy 07 wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:42 am If the odds revert back to 2/1 I'm banging £50 on then :)
Farke to be next Norwich Manager 4/1 with Bet Victor. If you make a £10 bet, Bet Victor will give you £30 as an introduction.

He is seen as a legend at Carrow Road, plus his assistant manager Riemer, GK coach Wooton and fitness coach (Damagalla) all originated from Norwich City.
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Jammy 07 wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:34 am I'm 8ft 3 so hopefully will be getting a call :)
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Irish Ian wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:38 am Of course Forest didnt have Jack Harrison and players carrying injuires to call on like Farke did,


Re the odds on Farke being sacked,.

The bookies set the odds based on what money is being placed, not what insight they have on anything happening at the club.

In light of that the odds are a poor indicator of anything but fools being easily parted with their money
I thought Forest had a fairly extensive injury list going into the game... someone posted such before the game
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Ellandback1 wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:48 am Farke to be next Norwich Manager 4/1 with Bet Victor. If you make a £10 bet, Bet Victor will give you £30 as an introduction.

He is seen as a legend at Carrow Road, plus his assistant manager Riemer, GK coach Wooton and fitness coach (Damagalla) all originated from Norwich City.
So if we sack Farke and all his staff we'll have nobody to train the team for the next 2 weeks then.
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