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Good Morning. It's Friday 12th December, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Three weeks until the January transfer market opens

With just three weeks until the winter transfer window opens, Leeds United face a massive stick or twist scenario! Back in August Managing Director Robbie Evans made it clear that the club has no more money left. Leeds are constrained by Premier League Profitability and Sustainability Rules (PSR), having already spent £100 million in the summer. This leaves little room for expensive or numerous additions unless significant sales are made before June 30th, something far from guaranteed. Nevertheless, despite the restrictions, activity is expected, even if limited to shrewd loans or bargain deals.

Midfield depth is one area of concern. Leeds have just five senior midfielders, though Brenden Aaronson can drop deeper if required. While that number may suffice when injuries are minimal, history this season shows the risk: twice already, two midfielders have been unavailable at the same time. In a system that starts three in midfield, this can leave the bench short of viable options. A loan move for former fan favourite Kalvin Phillips has been mooted, and his experience and combative presence could prove invaluable if a deal can be struck without breaching financial limits.

Up front, the 3-5-2 demands two strikers, but Leeds’ current options each bring different strengths and drawbacks. Joel Piroe is a lethal finisher but arguably ill-suited to the physical demands of the system. Noah Okafor offers skill and mobility but hasn't flourished up top yet, with Farke preferring him on the left wing, cutting inside. Lukas Nmecha and Dominic Calvert-Lewin have formed a good partnership up front in the last couple of games, though their injury records are poor. If Piroe is not the answer, Leeds will have to bring another striker in next month.

On the flanks, Leeds could yet revisit their summer hunt for a right winger who can drift inside to play as a number 10. Daniel James’ pace and directness have been missed during his injury layoff, and while Okafor and Willy Gnonto can cover the role, both are more effective on the left. Versatility may influence January targets, especially if Leeds revert to 4-3-3 more frequently.

Potential outgoings - players such as Gnonto, Aaronson or even Piroe, could help generate funds for reinforcements, but any departures would need to be balanced against squad depth. For Leeds, the next few games will do more than shape their league position, they will determine the club’s tactical approach and, by extension, the profile of any winter arrivals. In a constrained market, every decision will carry weight.





Sutton leaps to Farke's defence

Former Celtic and Norwich City striker turned pundit, Chris Sutton, has leapt to the defence of Daniel Farke after recent speculation about the German’s job security. Sutton, speaking on BBC Radio 5 Live’s Monday Night Club, described the criticism aimed at Farke as “really unfair” and praised the 49-year-old’s tactical adaptability during a testing run of fixtures.

Farke, who guided Leeds to the Championship title just six months ago, came under scrutiny following back-to-back defeats to Brighton and Nottingham Forest before the international break. With four daunting games ahead against Champions League-chasing opposition, many feared his position was under threat. Yet Sutton highlighted that rather than buckle under pressure, Farke made bold adjustments which have helped Leeds navigate this challenging spell with renewed competitiveness and resilience.

After a defeat to Aston Villa, Leeds impressed by battling hard against Manchester City, then defeating Chelsea and earning a draw against Liverpool. Sutton pointed to Farke’s tactical half time switch during the City game as a turning point, moving to a back three, deploying two strikers, and introducing Dominic Calvert-Lewin as a central focal point. This change, Sutton argued, gave Leeds a more direct attacking outlet and helped them exploit opportunities more effectively. Calvert-Lewin’s impact since returning to the side has been described by Sutton as “sensational,” providing the team with a physical presence up front and enhancing their ability to transition quickly from defence to attack.

Sutton also praised Leeds’ intensity in the Chelsea win and their fighting spirit to come from behind against Liverpool, emphasising the organisation and clear game plan under Farke’s leadership. He criticised those who judged Farke solely on his Premier League record with Norwich, noting that the squad he had at Carrow Road was simply not strong enough to compete at that level.

In Sutton’s view, Leeds have been “really competitive” this season, and to consider sacking Farke at this stage would have been undeserved. Instead, recent performances have demonstrated both resilience and tactical flexibility qualities that suggest Leeds can still challenge strongly under his guidance. For Sutton, Farke’s ability to adapt and inspire his side in the face of pressure is exactly what the club needs if they are to keep progressing in the top flight.


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1 - Do we have any money?
2 - Do we have to sell before we buy?
3 - If so who can we sell that will make enough money to say add a 30M player?
4 - Do we trust the Underwood clowns enough to let them spend the money
5 - Should we back Farke if we're going to fire him at some point in the next 6 months?
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The Subhuman wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 9:49 am 1 - Do we have any money?
2 - Do we have to sell before we buy?
3 - If so who can we sell that will make enough money to say add a 30M player?
4 - Do we trust the Underwood clowns enough to let them spend the money
5 - Should we back Farke if we're going to fire him at some point in the next 6 months?
1. I doubt it.
2. Yes
3. Possibly not
4. No
5. Yes
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Don't usually listen to Sutton but as a long time Farke backer I paid attention to his opinions even before the Man City game when he stated Farke had been unfairly judged at that point and needed more time. He was right. Despite a few of very poor performances against Burnley, Brighton and Forest we seem to be turning it around but those poor results were just what the naysayers needed to strengthen their case. Easy to forget Burnley had only lost 1 in something like 27 at home by the time we turned up and that was to a last minute Salah penalty for Liverpool, Forest had the new manager bounce and Brighton is always a bogey fixture for us. Defeats are part and parcel of it all especially for a newly promoted team but some people want it all straight away.

Very happy that Farke is now buying some credit even if certain factions of the fanbase still claim the Man City performance a happy accident, Chelsea never turned up and Liverpool are a busted flush this year but the excuses might become thin on the ground very quickly if we start exceeding our points per game target over the next month or so.
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Sell Piroe and we have money.

Best we will do is a loan methinks.
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wilsdenwhite wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 10:13 am Don't usually listen to Sutton but as a long time Farke backer I paid attention to his opinions even before the Man City game when he stated Farke had been unfairly judged at that point and needed more time. He was right. Despite a few of very poor performances against Burnley, Brighton and Forest we seem to be turning it around but those poor results were just what the naysayers needed to strengthen their case. Easy to forget Burnley had only lost 1 in something like 27 at home by the time we turned up and that was to a last minute Salah penalty for Liverpool, Forest had the new manager bounce and Brighton is always a bogey fixture for us. Defeats are part and parcel of it all especially for a newly promoted team but some people want it all straight away.

Very happy that Farke is now buying some credit even if certain factions of the fanbase still claim the Man City performance a happy accident, Chelsea never turned up and Liverpool are a busted flush this year but the excuses might become thin on the ground very quickly if we start exceeding our points per game target over the next month or so.
Farke's teams when backed improve as the season progresses.
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Irish Ian wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 10:48 am Sell Piroe and we have money.

Best we will do is a loan methinks.
What would we get for a player that can't get a game for a bottom 4 prem team. What we paid for him seems a little far fetched now. 5M ?
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Piroe should have been the first player in after Nmecha got injured, not Okafor.
Piroe is a talented player who will score goals when playing in a front 2.
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The Subhuman wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 9:49 am 1 - Do we have any money?
2 - Do we have to sell before we buy?
3 - If so who can we sell that will make enough money to say add a 30M player?
4 - Do we trust the Underwood clowns enough to let them spend the money
5 - Should we back Farke if we're going to fire him at some point in the next 6 months?
The owners should give the manager the tools to do the job properly, regardless of who the manager is.
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Sean_Nile wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 1:22 pm The owners should give the manager the tools to do the job properly, regardless of who the manager is.
And they have, however poorly
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Generally speaking players who can make a significant impact are both hard to find and overpriced in the January window making a loan deal the far more attractive option and perhaps the only we can afford right now.
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I think you can criticise the owners for many things, things they could have done differently or better.

Risking our first Premier League season recruitment on total novices for example.

But I don't think the not backing Farke thing is fair.

PSR is a 3 year cycle.

He had 2 seasons with 2 of the largest budgets in Championship history and £100mil spent in the summer.

That's a lot of backing, with PSR you can't just keep pouring money in.

Would it be nice if we had owners more willing or able to dodge PSR like some clubs? Absolutely

But these aren't.

So they are what they are and it feels a bit unfair imo to claim they haven't backed Farke whilst he's been here

Without their backing no Rodon, Bogle, Rutter, Solomon, Piroe, Summerville, James, Gnonto etc in the Championship and probably no promotion.

They backed him extensively in the Championship and 2 seasons of that level of finance was always going to impact the 3rd whatever league you were in.

Then £100mil including signing DCL who The Athletic have already said is a very expensive signing overall.

Whatever happens between now and the end of the season I don't think lack of backing for Farke in his time here would be fair.
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Of the 8 players named only 3 were signed while Farke was Manager and 2 of those named were sold before the Promotion season . Interestingly players like Ampadu, Gruev , Tanaka who did contribute to Promotion and were bought for relatively modest fees were not mentioned . I agree with the point that the 49ers have backed DF to a point and I believe that a lot of the commentary on owners comes from the scars of the Bates, GFH and Cellino eras rather than an objective assessment of the facts . However DF's contribution should not be undervalued just because there's some money now in the club. Too many people forget the situation when Farke took over and the remarkable job he did in stabilising the club at the time and getting us within a whisker of Promotion. If you compare the post play off failure season that Leeds had to many other clubs it is easy to see that he again did a remarkable job in that situation.
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The Subhuman wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 12:39 pm What would we get for a player that can't get a game for a bottom 4 prem team. What we paid for him seems a little far fetched now. 5M ?
If you look back to last season and promotion chasing Sheff U splashed out £10m to sign Tom Cannon from Leicester to aid their promotion push. Could definitely see promotion chasing teams being interested if Piroe was available as they getting a proven championship striker (something that Cannon wasn't). Whether the likes of Prestob, Boro etc could afford him is another matter but the likes of Ipswich, Southampton and Leicester probably would be able to.
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whiteinfrance wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 12:55 pm Piroe should have been the first player in after Nmecha got injured, not Okafor.
Piroe is a talented player who will score goals when playing in a front 2.
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I can see why Okafor got the nod as he was lively against Chelsea and dynamic pace can unsettle any team. He didn't have a good game against Liverpool. Would be happy with him, Piroe or Gnonto as the 10 on Sunday.
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Cjay wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 1:49 pm I think you can criticise the owners for many things, things they could have done differently or better.

Risking our first Premier League season recruitment on total novices for example.

But I don't think the not backing Farke thing is fair.

PSR is a 3 year cycle.

He had 2 seasons with 2 of the largest budgets in Championship history and £100mil spent in the summer.

That's a lot of backing, with PSR you can't just keep pouring money in.

Would it be nice if we had owners more willing or able to dodge PSR like some clubs? Absolutely

But these aren't.

So they are what they are and it feels a bit unfair imo to claim they haven't backed Farke whilst he's been here

Without their backing no Rodon, Bogle, Rutter, Solomon, Piroe, Summerville, James, Gnonto etc in the Championship and probably no promotion.

They backed him extensively in the Championship and 2 seasons of that level of finance was always going to impact the 3rd whatever league you were in.

Then £100mil including signing DCL who The Athletic have already said is a very expensive signing overall.

Whatever happens between now and the end of the season I don't think lack of backing for Farke in his time here would be fair.
Definitely he has been financially backed. The concern would be over whether they perhaps bought in players that weren't as high a priority just because they were available. Would Farke have preferred us spending say £30m on a striker/10 rather then say £15m each on 2 players such as a defender and midfielder. Were they all on the same page because it seems Farke was desperate for a 10.
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ruttermania wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 2:59 pm Of the 8 players named only 3 were signed while Farke was Manager and 2 of those named were sold before the Promotion season . Interestingly players like Ampadu, Gruev , Tanaka who did contribute to Promotion and were bought for relatively modest fees were not mentioned . I agree with the point that the 49ers have backed DF to a point and I believe that a lot of the commentary on owners comes from the scars of the Bates, GFH and Cellino eras rather than an objective assessment of the facts . However DF's contribution should not be undervalued just because there's some money now in the club. Too many people forget the situation when Farke took over and the remarkable job he did in stabilising the club at the time and getting us within a whisker of Promotion. If you compare the post play off failure season that Leeds had to many other clubs it is easy to see that he again did a remarkable job in that situation.
That was the point of the post.

Wasn't debating jobs done, I know many think he performed miracles (i think he did ok)

Just don't think not backing him criticism is fair.

He's probably the best financially backed manager we've had, certainly in the last 20 odd years.
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weasel wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 4:11 pm Definitely he has been financially backed. The concern would be over whether they perhaps bought in players that weren't as high a priority just because they were available. Would Farke have preferred us spending say £30m on a striker/10 rather then say £15m each on 2 players such as a defender and midfielder. Were they all on the same page because it seems Farke was desperate for a 10.
We don't know how the recruitment works tbf

Farke has always talked himself up as the big head at the club.

I've speculated imo maybe that isn't the case this season? But we don't know.

But they couldn't keep pumping money in tbf.

And when you look at the squad we had it wasn't the biggest even last season.

Remove Gelhardt, Guilavogui, Rothwell, Ramazani, Joseph, Schmidt, Bamford, Firpo, Solomon.

Thats 9 players who were technically part of the first team squad which wasn't that big to start with.

So maybe they had to spread the resources thin?

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A quality signing in January is out of the question.
As a player why would you join a relegation scrap with the possibility of championship foitball next season.
Best option is to loan a premier league player not getting enough game time and wants to put himself in the shop window in the Summer.
Not sure who that would be though
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Phild wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 6:54 pm A quality signing in January is out of the question.
As a player why would you join a relegation scrap with the possibility of championship foitball next season.
Best option is to loan a premier league player not getting enough game time and wants to put himself in the shop window in the Summer.
Not sure who that would be though
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