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Good Morning. It's Tuesday 16th December, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road…


Congestion pile up taking its toll on Palace players

Crystal Palace’s schedule pile up is starting to take its toll on their players. Saturday’s trip to Leeds United will be their fourth match in just ten days, coming barely 48 hours after hosting Finnish side KuPS in the Europa Conference League. To make matters tougher, Palace’s injury list is growing at an inconvenient rate.

The latest casualty is attacking midfielder Daichi Kamada, who hobbled off midway through Sunday’s 3-0 defeat at home to Manchester City. The Japan international required treatment on the pitch before being replaced by Will Hughes in the 67th minute. Manager Oliver Glasner has already confirmed Kamada will sit out the weekend trip to Elland Road, dealing another blow to Palace’s creative options.

That’s not all. Full-back Daniel Muñoz is sidelined following knee surgery, meaning his overlapping runs down the right flank will be absent for the foreseeable future. Winger Ismaila Sarr did make a comeback from an ankle knock in the same City game, but he’s already off to represent Senegal at the Africa Cup of Nations this week. Up top, Jean-Philippe Mateta, Palace’s leading scorer, is seeing his minutes carefully rationed to avoid fatigue or fresh injuries, adding yet another selection headache for Glasner.

With such a packed fixture list, four games in ten days, plus an upcoming Carabao Cup clash against Arsenal before Christmas, it’s no surprise Glasner admitted he won’t start the same XI twice this week. Rotations will be inevitable, and squad depth is being tested more than ever. Youngsters and fringe players will get their chance to shine, while seasoned pros may need to shoulder extra responsibility when called upon.





Meslier touted for Celtic switch

Leeds United are gearing up to offload goalkeeper Illan Meslier in the January transfer window, although they're bracing themselves for a significantly reduced fee compared to his once-vaunted price tag. The French U21 International initially joined Elland Road on loan from Lorient in the summer of 2019, with an option to buy, and replaced Kiko Casilla as first-choice shot-stopper later that campaign when Casilla received an 8-game ban for allegedly racially abusing Jonathan Leko. Up until last season Meslier's £6m fee looked to have been money well spent, but a series of high profile blunders have severely dented both his confidence and price tag. With his contract set to expire next summer, Leeds are keen to recoup a nominal fee for his signature.

Rumours have been circulating about potential talks between Leeds and Scottish Champions Celtic, with Meslier possibly linking up with his French compatriot and Celtic's new manager, Wilfried Nancy. However, Leeds are in a precarious position, having no control over Meslier's contract, which allows him to sign a pre-contract with non-English clubs from January 1. This would see him leave Elland Road on a free transfer at the end of his deal, leaving Leeds empty-handed. Celtic, on the other hand, might view this as an opportunity to secure a talented goalkeeper without breaking the bank. They could opt to stick with veteran Dane Kasper Schmeichel until the end of the season before making a change, as his form has been patchy, but not the club's most pressing concern.

Given the circumstances, Leeds will be desperate to offload Meslier next month, but their chances of securing a deal are slim unless a club is in dire need of a new goalkeeper due to injury. Celtic would be an excellent move for Meslier, allowing him to join a new team with a familiar face in the dugout and potentially compete for silverware. It has also been suggested that his agents held brief talks with Inter Milan, but has made it clear that he doesn't want to sit on the bench.





Is Piroe's time up at Elland Road

Has Joel Piroe’s time at Elland Road come to an end? Even with fellow forward Lukas Nmecha sidelined by injury, Farke has opted to switch Noah Okafor from his usual inverted winger role to partner Dominic Calvert-Lewin up front in Leeds’s last two Premier League games. That tactical tweak, while perhaps a nod to Okafor’s versatility, has done little for Piroe, who was the Championship’s leading scorer just last season but now finds himself largely overlooked.

You can almost sense the Dutchman’s frustration. Since arriving from Swansea for £12 million two and a half years ago, Piroe has pushed himself into ­becoming a reliable marksman, yet this term he’s managed just 197 minutes of football. Substitute cameos aside, he has barely had a sniff of a starting berth. Rumours are swirling that if Leeds do want to bring in a new top-class striker in January, Piroe could be shown the door. He’d no doubt spark a feeding-frenzy among Championship clubs keen to bolster their promotion bids, but buying someone in to replace him means Leeds must find a more prolific option, and that doesn’t come cheap.

Who might fit the bill? Japanese international Ayase Ueda of Feyenoord ticks the goal-getter box. Canada’s towering Promise David at Union Saint-Gilloise has been banging them in for fun. Mexican hotshot Santiago Giménez at AC Milan looks an eye-catching talent. Then there’s Joshua Zirkzee, out of favour at Manchester United, or young Chelsea striker Tyrique George, whose finishing is already earning plaudits. Yet with Leeds needing to balance the books by June 30, any penny spent next month must come from player sales. Ueda or Giménez, for instance, would command hefty fees and wages, so offloading someone like Piroe could be viewed as sensible business.

That scenario won’t please Piroe, nor will it do wonders for morale among fellow fringe forwards Mateo Joseph and Largie Ramazani. A mass exodus of backup strikers might be the harsh reality if Leeds decide wholesale change is needed. After all, Leeds sit perilously just three points above the relegation zone, and there’s a very real fear that any slide into the Championship will hit their finances hard. Farke’s preference for Okafor up front sends a clear signal: current form trumps past exploits, and unless Piroe can force his way back into the manager’s plans, January might mark the end of his Elland Road adventure.


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Daniel Farke is the Manager and must / should know his players better than most. For me as a fan it is disappointing to see Joel Piroe sidelined as he is and not being given a fair chance to get in the team, settle and show what he can do. Perhaps the luxury of time is simply not available in the Premiership.

The jury is out in respect of Noah Okafor as far as I am concerned. There are flashes of brilliance and signs that there is quite a player somewhere in there. At the same time though he disappears for long periods in a game, looks lazy at times not tracking back enough and also, 16 games into the season, seems not to have much of an engine on him as he only lasts 45 minutes. On that basis, why can't Piroe be brought in to pick up the slak and share the workload. Neither player is the same as a Nmecha replacement in the system that DF has landed on but he seems to be stubbornly avoiding the option.

LUFC cannot afford to bring in a replacement sriker of any kind of stature so it is going to be a case of make do and mend. Hopefully, Piroe will get his chance or perhaps Gnonto to play alongside a big guy up front as has been suggested elsewhere or a left field suggestion what about Sebastiaan Bornauw as a makeshift striker? There are other options to playing Okafor up there
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Piroe has to go in January as it's the only way we're going to move on from being a Championship club.
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Jammy 07 wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:19 am Piroe has to go in January as it's the only way we're going to move on from being a Championship club.
Surely there must be, has to be, another side to that coin? :duno:
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PhoenixUnited wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:36 am Surely there must be, has to be, another side to that coin? :duno:
But if we were relegated, we'd have a much better chance of going back up with him.
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I would let Piroe go out (on loan only) to a Championship club on the following proviso.

£2m loan fee + an extra £5m if they were promoted.
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The case against Piroe was that he couldn't play the lone striker role in the Premiership which was largely borne out by the Arsenal game . If we are going to use the the 5-3-2 formation as would appear to be the case then there would be an opportunity to see what Piroe can do in that system as it would appear to give the best chance of using his skills as 'the best finisher I've worked with'. However Okafor looked much better against Brentford than he had against Liverpool so DF will probably be tempted to continue using him if Nmecha isn't available. We know what Piroe can do and when we are playing the two up top I would like to see him used as a starter in the second striker position as the knock downs from DCL should be meat and drink to him.
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Ellandback1 wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:46 am I would let Piroe go out (on loan only) to a Championship club on the following proviso.

£2m loan fee + an extra £5m if they were promoted.
Not a bad idea, the only downside is we still might need another striker and the loan fee money would leave us with less than if we sold him.
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3 injury prone forwards and you want to sell or loan JP . Bad idea.
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Ellandback1 wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:45 am But if we were relegated, we'd have a much better chance of going back up with him.
Yes but the suggestion was that we get shot of Piroe in January. My question is - what is the next step?
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Not sure I like the narrative around the Palace fixture pile up. They certainly didn't look like a tired or depleted team v City at the weekend.

We are not in a position to lull ourselves into a false sense of security.
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ruttermania wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 11:06 am The case against Piroe was that he couldn't play the lone striker role in the Premiership which was largely borne out by the Arsenal game . If we are going to use the the 5-3-2 formation as would appear to be the case then there would be an opportunity to see what Piroe can do in that system as it would appear to give the best chance of using his skills as 'the best finisher I've worked with'. However Okafor looked much better against Brentford than he had against Liverpool so DF will probably be tempted to continue using him if Nmecha isn't available. We know what Piroe can do and when we are playing the two up top I would like to see him used as a starter in the second striker position as the knock downs from DCL should be meat and drink to him.
There were (still) large chunks of the game when he was very anonymos in the game and really did not feature much at all in the second half.
As things stand, in my view DF should perm 2 from 4 to play up top being DCL, Nmecha, Piroe and Gnonto
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Ellandback1 wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:46 am I would let Piroe go out (on loan only) to a Championship club on the following proviso.

£2m loan fee + an extra £5m if they were promoted.
Realistically how much would we get for Piroe in January and who are we likely to afford that’s going to be a guaranteed upgrade ? Surely he’s worth a chance and could save us a bucketload we could spend elsewhere.

Crystal Palace maybe don’t have the quality in depth to compete in the Premiership and Europe so will have to think about priorities, Munoz & Sarr will be massive misses for them so hopefully we can take advantage.
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Jammy 07 wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:19 am Piroe has to go in January as it's the only way we're going to move on from being a Championship club.
He cost us 12M, difficult to see us recouping that. I doubt there's a championship side that can afford that... while wanting to
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The Subhuman wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 11:37 am He cost us 12M, difficult to see us recouping that. I doubt there's a championship side that can afford that... while wanting to
Transfermarkt has him valued at 15M euro.

Your point about affordability for Championship clubs is valid but there are still quite a few wealthy owners in there who could take the January gamble.

Plus Piroe only has 12 months left on his contract with us come the end of the season so now would be a good time to cash in.
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Jammy 07 wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 12:34 pm Transfermarkt has him valued at 15M euro.

Your point about affordability for Championship clubs is valid but there are still quite a few wealthy owners in there who could take the January gamble.

Plus Piroe only has 12 months left on his contract with us come the end of the season so now would be a good time to cash in.
Which as we know is always spot on. We made Piroe one of the championships all time most expensive players at 12M, we're doing nothing to put him in the shop window. 7.5 looks the price atm for a championship club or smaller Euro league club
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Finnatic wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 11:07 am Not a bad idea, the only downside is we still might need another striker and the loan fee money would leave us with less than if we sold him.
It's a gamble but we have until June 30th to balance our books
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Piroe has done his job for us and got us promoted, he should have been moved on in the summer but it seems noone was in for him. Same as Meslier.

I would however bring Joseph back and use him as replacement for Nmecha and DCL.

His game better suited to big bastards FC than anyone else at the club.
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Looks a lot worse than on TV...
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Just because Palace have had a lot of games lately means very little. They have plenty of quality and Premiership experience in their squad, they will be no push over. The only thing that might give us a slight edge is if we can stay in the game ( not go behind) and keep pushing hard in the last quarter then maybe we may just be that little bit sharper and get the win.
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