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[1964white]

Or if we hired a manager who was able to get us playing a way that made us so much better than the individual talent we had so that we could punch above our weight - oh hang on we got rid of him.

A nice little grenade thrown there, Weasel

[SG90]

Another reason to hate this toilet paper rag

[SG90]

A nice little grenade thrown there, Weasel

Oh he was on about our ex manager, the one who lost to Stoke, Preston, QPR, Hull and Crawley in the cups lol

[Mountain]

Here's a post that all you lot who hate me can get your teeth into. Reach for that 'Report' button and get me banned! Go on, you know you want to.

Petition not to ban Sockerist. I for one find his efforts to grab attention and be edgy on an anonymous forum hilarious.

[1964white]

Oh he was on about our ex manager, the one who lost to Stoke, Preston, QPR, Hull and Crawley in the cups lol

Yes that one

[Irish Ian]

The born in England is the key part, nothing else matters. I assume he got educated here, mates are British... We're maybe the most ethnically diverse country on earth, London is certainly the most ethnically diverse city on the planet and I love it. The more the merrier..... If Saka feels British and wants to play for England more power to him.

My dad was born in /india as were his parents and their parents going back to the mid to late 1800's. I'm first generation English also, going back 150 yrs we're Scottish.

No clue what you mean by situation. What situation?

I feel like I had to have a tetanus after reading such racist driblle, but there ya go.

[White Riot]

Been saying that for yonks. He’s far and away the best English manager. And I include Potter in that.

Great minds think alike

Always thought Harry Potter was more of a magician than a manager though

Oh, I get it now, you mean Brian Potter the Phoenix Club manager, fair play he's done a great job there

[Cjay]

This thread took a turn

[White Riot]

"Morocco, Inshallah"

Hopefully followed by "Morocco, Humdalilah"

(Love the chance to use my Arabic as well )

There's no end to your talents Swannie

I never believed Hector when he said you were only good for emptying bottles

Careful though or I'll start communicating in Bulgarian, Borje Gospodi

[Jaydog]

Great minds think alike

Always thought Harry Potter was more of a magician than a manager though

Oh, I get it now, you mean Brian Potter the Phoenix Club manager, fair play he's done a great job there

Bloody comedian
You seen Farley on Kane WC exit yet.
“Gareth asked if I want a pen, I said yes but I prefer crayons”.

[John in Louisiana]

Here's a post that all you lot who hate me can get your teeth into. Reach for that 'Report' button and get me banned! Go on, you know you want to.

Racist prick.

Saka was born in Ealing and has lived his entire life in England. He's as much an Englishman as you or anyone else.

[whiteswan]

There's no end to your talents Swannie

I never believed Hector when he said you were only good for emptying bottles

Careful though or I'll start communicating in Bulgarian, Borje Gospodi

I think I'll take that as a compliment from you young Sir

Hector? He's a naughty heccie. Take no notice of him

[weasel]

Oh he was on about our ex manager, the one who lost to Stoke, Preston, QPR, Hull and Crawley in the cups lol

Yes the one who took a lot of lower level players and transformed then into so much more - like you say though sometimes they won't play to the level he had raised them too. Imagine though what he could have done if the players he inherited were a lot better.

That is why England needs to get a better manager. The likes of Luke Ayling, Cooper etc were capable of getting wins and playing well at times before he came and made them far better far more often. England will win games irrelevant of the manager, there is enough individual talent to do that. Imagine though what a good manager would do to the group of english players.

[Irish Ian]

I think England would be unwise to change manager. Southgate has done what very few England managers have ever managed to.

Create a stable environment for the players to give their best.

While England haven't had a talisman in a Neymar or Mbappe they will have in Bellingham and Saka in the years to come.

Tactically he has been pretty much spot on given the strengths and weaknesses of the player pool.

I know he is easy to criticize but England have come the closest in a generation to honours with him steadying the ship.

Also the alternatives aren't great.
Potter and Howe will not go near the job in the next World Cup cycle and seeing that a non English manager will not be acceptable who does that leave to recruit from?

Cooper?
Rooney?
Lampard?
Gerrard?

Be careful what you wish for folks.

[SG90]

Yes the one who took a lot of lower level players and transformed then into so much more - like you say though sometimes they won't play to the level he had raised them too. Imagine though what he could have done if the players he inherited were a lot better.

That is why England needs to get a better manager. The likes of Luke Ayling, Cooper etc were capable of getting wins and playing well at times before he came and made them far better far more often. England will win games irrelevant of the manager, there is enough individual talent to do that. Imagine though what a good manager would do to the group of english players.

It's just because you said we'd win trophies under Bielsa, but he never showed any intention of winning the cups when he was here.

I'm just bored of the excuses and the usual "proud of the lads" crap we see once England are eliminated, especially after all the boasting about how we should be feared, no one gets in our team etc beforehand.

Funny how Morocco have beaten Belgium, Spain and Portugal in the same tournament. If England are as good as everyone says they are they should be able to beat at least one top side.

[SG90]

I think England would be unwise to change manager. Southgate has done what very few England managers have ever managed to.

Create a stable environment for the players to give their best.

While England haven't had a talisman in a Neymar or Mbappe they will have in Bellingham and Saka in the years to come.

Tactically he has been pretty much spot on given the strengths and weaknesses of the player pool.

I know he is easy to criticize but England have come the closest in a generation to honours with him steadying the ship.

Also the alternatives aren't great.
Potter and Howe will not go near the job in the next World Cup cycle and seeing that a non English manager will not be acceptable who does that leave to recruit from?

Cooper?
Rooney?
Lampard?
Gerrard?

Be careful what you wish for folks.

Be careful what you wish for? He's relegated England, not beaten a top side and picks the same failures every match and never tries anything different, even in friendlies or against San Marino. He'll stay in the job as his mates in the media overhype him, like they do Lampard and Gerrard.

[weasel]

It's just because you said we'd win trophies under Bielsa, but he never showed any intention of winning the cups when he was here.

I'm just bored of the excuses and the usual "proud of the lads" crap we see once England are eliminated, especially after all the boasting about how we should be feared, no one gets in our team etc beforehand.

Funny how Morocco have beaten Belgium, Spain and Portugal in the same tournament. If England are as good as everyone says they are they should be able to beat at least one top side.

I think it boiled down to priorities and obviously in the seasons MB was in charge the priority was the league. I would have thought/hoped that if we had got to the point where we had become a fairly secure premier league side then we'd have looked to do better in the cups or at least take them more seriously. Don't forget the Arsenal performance in the FA Cup though when we went to their place and outplayed them in the first half and could, and should, have been 2 or 3 goals up at half time before losing to a very scruffy Arsenal goal in the second half. We were a far inferior group of players but in that first half were by far the better team. That reflects the point I am making about getting the best out of a team but how with the calibre of players at England's disposal a good coach can take great individual and create a great team (like Pep at City in comparison to how MU have failed despite spending the same amount of money).

Would Pep do better than GS if he was in charge of England? Would GS do better than Pep if GS was in charge of Man City (or previously Bayern or Barca)?

GS has done a great job in terms of building a happy squad and a good sense of togetherness etc. But it still smacks of picking a formation, picking the players and then hoping for the best rather than us playing as a team with cohesion and a way that makes us even better.

[Irish Ian]

Be careful what you wish for? He's relegated England, not beaten a top side and picks the same failures every match and never tries anything different, even in friendlies or against San Marino. He'll stay in the job as his mates in the media overhype him, like they do Lampard and Gerrard.

no one gives a toss about that nations comp.

Fact is he took you to a WC semi where you lost by an odd goal and a Euro final where you lost on pens.



You complain about picking the same players but which one of them had a bad tournament.

England fans are a funny lot.

[Leeds1000]

Next time...More than any other time... next time....We'll get it right.

Come on Morocco. I have had some great Hashish from over there back in the eighties. So for that reason alone.....

Gareth Southgate.... Social justice warrior, Doctor, Father and occasional tactically poor Football manager. There is only one English man left for the Job. Warnock not Stephen.

[SG90]

no one gives a toss about that nations comp.

Fact is he took you to a WC semi where you lost by an odd goal and a Euro final where you lost on pens.



You complain about picking the same players but which one of them had a bad tournament.

England fans are a funny lot.

In your opinion no one cares. If England want to start winning trophies, then they need to build a winning mentality and beat the top sides. Funny how France and Portugal have won major trophies recently but don't disrespect the Nations League and see it as a trophy. Just the usual English arrogance.

In my lifetime England have always been quarters at best. The only difference is Southgate had to face Sweden and Ukraine in the quarters. His luck ran out this time as we had France.