Anyone else wish we had kept Bielsa on?

[Kennyb41]

Insofar that they sacked a great manager and replaced him with a poor one, that happens and I can point you to 18 other premier league clubs that have done that in the last 20 years ... I think the youth team development has been outstanding, one great, one ok, two poor managerial appointments. The first of which comes with the rookie owner steep learning curve proviso..

Steep curve for sure, what goes up will come down if you shoot yourself in both feet and don't know what you had.

[WhiteRose]

Yeah probably, we would of gone down but had he stayed we would probably be heading back to the prem now given the state the championship had become - instead we have had to endure an absolutely dreadful dreadful season and are going down a year later instead.

[The Subhuman]

Yeah probably, we would of gone down but had he stayed we would probably be heading back to the prem now given the state the championship had become - instead we have had to endure an absolutely dreadful dreadful season and are going down a year later instead.

It's an opinion and not a fact, and it's an extremely challengable opinion. The fixture list was easing and we were coming out of the worst injury crisis for 30 year.

Secondly if you conclude Marsch is a poor manager who struggled in the premiership then the case for staying up under Bielsa strengthens. If you think Marsch was good enough to keep us up then he, by extension, was good enough to keep us up this season

I maintain Bielsa is a much better manager than Marsch so the odds of him finishing the season with results that improved on Marsch's are high

[Irish Ian]

Yeah probably, we would of gone down but had he stayed we would probably be heading back to the prem now given the state the championship had become - instead we have had to endure an absolutely dreadful dreadful season and are going down a year later instead.

Agreed

[Cjay]

Bielsa record without Bamford and KP was awful.

Absolutely no guarantee we would have come back up or would be any better off than we are now.

Living in the past? No thanks

[The Subhuman]

Bielsa record without Bamford and KP was awful.

Absolutely no guarantee we would have come back up or would be any better off than we are now.

Living in the past? No thanks

Those that ignore history are destined to repeat it

[billysboots]

If we’d gone down under Bielsa there would have been a lot hostility towards him, he might not have stayed.

[Pullhard]

I loved Bielsa but his time was up.
Opposition had him more than figured out

[WhiteRose]

It's an opinion and not a fact, and it's an extremely challengable opinion. The fixture list was easing and we were coming out of the worst injury crisis for 30 year.

Secondly if you conclude Marsch is a poor manager who struggled in the premiership then the case for staying up under Bielsa strengthens. If you think Marsch was good enough to keep us up then he, by extension, was good enough to keep us up this season

I maintain Bielsa is a much better manager than Marsch so the odds of him finishing the season with results that improved on Marsch's are high

I don’t for one minute think Marsch was better but he managed to steady a sinking ship that looked hopelessly lost, your right it probably was more by circumstances than design especially given how useless Marsch was this season but you can see why Bielsa was let go at the time. The fans aren’t responsible for the waste of space hired in his place.

[The Subhuman]

I don’t for one minute think Marsch was better but he managed to steady a sinking ship that looked hopelessly lost, your right it probably was more by circumstances than design especially given how useless Marsch was this season but you can see why Bielsa was let go at the time. The fans aren’t responsible for the waste of space hired in his place.

I don't think for a minute he did. Much less impressive a manager right from the start.

[Musicman1965]

omg not again......move on.....

[GreennWhite]

Pointless thread, move on.

[weasel]

omg not again......move on.....

Intersting that 16 hours after the thread had had its last posting, and was well on its way to disappearing, you brought it back to life......

Wasn't going to comment but suppose this feels the best place to do it now.

Despite the horrendous run under Bielsa I still had 100% confidence in him. I felt we had enough to survive, comfortably, and then in the summer it would be a case of learning lessons, improving the quality of the small squad (if it was still to be 18 then 18 first team quality players rather than 13 or 14). We would then kick on again and be top half this season with Bielsa again getting the best out of players and even with KP and Raphinha gone we would improve, KP going would have forced us to buy someone suitable for the position and hopefully less injury prone.

If we'd gone down I feel we would have bounced straight back up. Given Bielsa's two seasons in the championship were so great I had no fears that we wouldn't. Okay we might have lost a few players but it wasn't like Bielsa inherited a great squad or bought his way out of the championship. As such even if we'd have gone down we'd have come back stronger - with the same scenario of learning from the mistakes and spending the money wisely to have a better group of 18 players.

When we survived, under Marsch, I wasn't ecstatic. I was hugely concerned we'd just delayed the inevitable and we'd be in big trouble this season. My hope was that either Marsch would be much better than I feared he was or that he'd be seen as the numpty he was fairly quickly and we'd appoint someone to steady the ship and then improve us. When we were leading 2-0 v Southampton and then beat Chelsea I hoped my concerns had been foolish and Marsch was capable of improvingus. Sadly it wasn't to be. The inevitable happened and yet the board dithered. As such we are in a horrendous position. Likely to go down and no real confidence we'll come back up.

As Liam and Noel said, 'Don't Look Back In Anger', there is no point, but the sacking of Bielsa has in all probability set us back to where we were pre Garry Monk. Sadly too many fans didn't see what we had and what we could still have had. They turned their knives onto Bielsa and whilst Orta and Rads were ultimately the ones who delivered the fatal cut it was the actions of those fans that let it happen.

[The Subhuman]

It's wierd how the Bielsa haters keep bringing up Bielsa ....

[Musicman1965]

Intersting that 16 hours after the thread had had its last posting, and was well on its way to disappearing, you brought it back to life......

Wasn't going to comment but suppose this feels the best place to do it now.

Despite the horrendous run under Bielsa I still had 100% confidence in him. I felt we had enough to survive, comfortably, and then in the summer it would be a case of learning lessons, improving the quality of the small squad (if it was still to be 18 then 18 first team quality players rather than 13 or 14). We would then kick on again and be top half this season with Bielsa again getting the best out of players and even with KP and Raphinha gone we would improve, KP going would have forced us to buy someone suitable for the position and hopefully less injury prone.

If we'd gone down I feel we would have bounced straight back up. Given Bielsa's two seasons in the championship were so great I had no fears that we wouldn't. Okay we might have lost a few players but it wasn't like Bielsa inherited a great squad or bought his way out of the championship. As such even if we'd have gone down we'd have come back stronger - with the same scenario of learning from the mistakes and spending the money wisely to have a better group of 18 players.

When we survived, under Marsch, I wasn't ecstatic. I was hugely concerned we'd just delayed the inevitable and we'd be in big trouble this season. My hope was that either Marsch would be much better than I feared he was or that he'd be seen as the numpty he was fairly quickly and we'd appoint someone to steady the ship and then improve us. When we were leading 2-0 v Southampton and then beat Chelsea I hoped my concerns had been foolish and Marsch was capable of improvingus. Sadly it wasn't to be. The inevitable happened and yet the board dithered. As such we are in a horrendous position. Likely to go down and no real confidence we'll come back up.

As Liam and Noel said, 'Don't Look Back In Anger', there is no point, but the sacking of Bielsa has in all probability set us back to where we were pre Garry Monk. Sadly too many fans didn't see what we had and what we could still have had. They turned their knives onto Bielsa and whilst Orta and Rads were ultimately the ones who delivered the fatal cut it was the actions of those fans that let it happen.

[GreennWhite]

It's wierd how the Bielsa haters keep bringing up Bielsa ....

Its also weird how others keep bringing his name up and preaching about how good he was and what he would do now with the team. You cant expect it just to be a one sided debate.
I'm not knocking him, he was great for the club but he has GONE, he WONT be back, so why not let that rest then others might not keep mentioning his name.

[Kennyb41]

Why are some people sooooooooo insistent that he won't return to Leeds at some point ?

Are there no other instances in world football where a manager has returned to a team he once managed ?

[The Subhuman]

Its also weird how others keep bringing his name up and preaching about how good he was and what he would do now with the team. You cant expect it just to be a one sided debate.
I'm not knocking him, he was great for the club but he has GONE, he WONT be back, so why not let that rest then others might not keep mentioning his name.

Way too early to be doing that, do you think had forums/social media would have forgotten The Don one year after he left had it been around at the time. I propose the Don comparisons and talk wouldn't have abated till Wilkinson arrived

[Kennyb41]

Orta is the problem, yes, it is that simple.

Remove our biggest problem holding this club back and we might just get someone to persuade him to return.

[VoiceofaLurker]

These were the 12 fixtures that JM had last season earning 15 points.
In the reverse fixtures earlier in the season MB had earned 14 points against the same teams.
So while it was 1 extra point, I don't believe JM had anything to do with us staying up last year,
we should of congratulated Raul Jimenez if anything for getting sent off because that turnaround at Wolves after he was dismissed probably kept us up.

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