Today's Games

[SG90]

Well there ya go as far as you are concerned you only get bad luck

Are you really as miserable as you sound?

Just pointing out the hypocrisy. It's only "luck" when Leeds are on the end receiving end in your eyes. You sound like a bitter supporter of the opposition side.

Our Xg shows we should be much higher up the league, so the luck excuse doesn't make sense.

[BGwhite]

Just seen the blunts have made 3 semi finals this century. We have to go back to 1987 since our last :/. Can't use the relegation excuse either, as the blunts spent 6 years in League One!

Getting drawn away constantly doesn't help .


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[The Subhuman]

xG is massively subjective.... you can't put a number on the likelihood of scoring a goal from any given chance. It's fun for those that like that sort of thing but has no real relevance

[SG90]

xG is massively subjective.... you can't put a number on the likelihood of scoring a goal from any given chance. It's fun for those that like that sort of thing but has no real relevance

Well it predicted the blunts would fall away and Brighton would charge up the table, which both happened. It also said Leicester and Palace were over reliant on individuals, which seems the case with Maddison and Zaha.

[Jaydog]

Well it predicted the blunts would fall away and Brighton would charge up the table, which both happened. It also said Leicester and Palace were over reliant on individuals, which seems the case with Maddison and Zaha.

XG definitely has relevance. It certainly predicted the examples you’ve given. It’s misunderstood generally

[The Subhuman]

Well it predicted the blunts would fall away and Brighton would charge up the table, which both happened. It also said Leicester and Palace were over reliant on individuals, which seems the case with Maddison and Zaha.

That's nothing to do with xG, and I bet your cherry picking the stuff it got right. Law of averages tells us they'll get some stuff right. What's the algorithm that's behind it?

[Cjay]

xG is massively subjective.... you can't put a number on the likelihood of scoring a goal from any given chance. It's fun for those that like that sort of thing but has no real relevance

If that was the case every single football club wouldn't use it.

Orta uses it

Bielsa used it

It isn't the be all and end all but it absolutely has relevance in relation to performance.

If the performance stuff says you are higher than you should be then teams generally drop.

Just from last season
Leicester
West Ham
Crystal Palace
Wolves
Everton.

If it says lower then good chance you will rise
Brighton
Arsenal
Brentford
Villa

Clubs have literal teams of people whose only job is this sort of stuff (Bielsa even employed his own from his own pocket).

Find the attitude of some fans to this stuff odd tbh.

But football embraced it years ago, Orta who you are a big fan of based his entire career on it.

[Irish Ian]

Just pointing out the hypocrisy. It's only "luck" when Leeds are on the end receiving end in your eyes. You sound like a bitter supporter of the opposition side.

Our Xg shows we should be much higher up the league, so the luck excuse doesn't make sense.

Wow.

Fulham lose a football game and someone needs the kleenex.

[Irish Ian]

xg is a great metric for working out how s**t you are in front of goal.

I love it

[andrewjohnsmith]

Barcelona beat Real Madrid. 12 points. Pretty much seals the title for them now.

Hope there's some bonus in the Raphinha deal

[weasel]

If that was the case every single football club wouldn't use it.

Orta uses it

Bielsa used it

It isn't the be all and end all but it absolutely has relevance in relation to performance.

If the performance stuff says you are higher than you should be then teams generally drop.

Just from last season
Leicester
West Ham
Crystal Palace
Wolves
Everton.

If it says lower then good chance you will rise
Brighton
Arsenal
Brentford
Villa

Clubs have literal teams of people whose only job is this sort of stuff (Bielsa even employed his own from his own pocket).

Find the attitude of some fans to this stuff odd tbh.

But football embraced it years ago, Orta who you are a big fan of based his entire career on it.

The reason why Barry White had his own people was to acertain the important bits from stats like xg. It is all about interpreting the raw data and making sense out of it rather than just accepting it at face value. A good example would be someone like Andy Cole. He missed loads of good chances so I bet his xg was poor yet he was great at getting into the right positions and as such would have more shots than other strikers. So he may miss far more than a clinical striker but he'd be getting more chances than the clinical striker so you need to do the maths as to which striker would score more.

[Cjay]

The reason why Barry White had his own people was to acertain the important bits from stats like xg. It is all about interpreting the raw data and making sense out of it rather than just accepting it at face value. A good example would be someone like Andy Cole. He missed loads of good chances so I bet his xg was poor yet he was great at getting into the right positions and as such would have more shots than other strikers. So he may miss far more than a clinical striker but he'd be getting more chances than the clinical striker so you need to do the maths as to which striker would score more.

It's about interpretation as you say but the thing it will boil down to often is things managers can't influence.

Generally player quality.

Wolves for example anyone who watched them will know last season Jose Sa played out of his skin, saved them numerous times.

So xG table had them 16th but they finished 10th, they should have conceded nearly 20 more goals.

They were slightly below there xG for but because of Sa they conceded so many less it didnt make a difference.

So this season what happens? Sa isn't hitting the heights of last season and there still below there xG for and they are closer to where there performances had them last season.

Forest and Palace have been exceeding there xG all season but what's starting to happen? They are reverting to where they should be.

Our fans couldn't understand why Marsch got aslong as he did, this will be why, because xG and the like will have told the club we were underachieving.

So they will have been hoping the players could rise to the task.

The problem with that in our sort of level (lower end team) is you don't generally have the quality to make those performance tools tell.

So you don't ever meet the xG position or rather recover to it, it rarely happens.

The end bit of xG is very reliant on individuals and that is the issue teams like us have.

The point in Andy Cole is valid but I'd imagine similar to top strikers now at leading teams he would have exceeded or matched his xG .

Kane, Messi, Mbappe, Haaland, all those top players exceed there xG despite a high volume of chances because they are top players.

Whereas someone like Ivan Toney, despite what seems like a decent season he is actually underachieving.

It isn't the be all and end all as I said but to dismiss it as meaningless is very wrong.

[whiteswan]

What on earth has all this xjcbabchjkzyx stuff got to do with TODAY'S games
Games were played.....TODAY ie topic. Discuss!

[BGwhite]

Ex ref Keith Hackett says mitrovic should be banned for 10 games to make an example of him.

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[Cjay]

A man of his age and he thinks this is appropriate?

Also if the Napoli Ultras get hold of him it won't just be Diego in a box

Such a thick moron

[whiteswan]

Kalvin is .... he really doesn't have much gametime this season

61 minutes of Premier league action this season according to the commentator

[The Subhuman]

Jack diving again

[The Subhuman]

TBF, Bellingham and Saka are world class

0-1 Rice

[White Riot]

Rice gets the opener.

Bellingham looks a class player.

KP having a mare.

[The Subhuman]

Luke Shaw looks a similar size to McKennie