The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wednesday 29th March) - Orta: At some point I want to return to Spain

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Good Morning. It's Wednesday 29th March, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


At some point I want to return to Spain - Orta

Victor Orta is eyeing a return to the La Liga, at some point in the Medium future. The flamboyant Sporting Director arrived in West Yorkshire shortly after Andrea Radrizzani took charge of Leeds in early 2017 and the pair have a close working relationship. It's fair to say the 44 year old wears his heart on his sleeve, which hasn't always endeared him to the Leeds Utd faithful.

With an expected takeover in the not too distant future, Orta has been discussing his options with Savilla journalist Alonso Rivero, about a return to the Spanish top flight, in particular, a reunion with Ramón Rodríguez Verdejo, commonly known as Monchi, the Technical Director at the Ciudad Deportiva Stadium.

Being Monchi’s successor, in any team, I don’t know if it’s something I’m prepared for, but obviously at some point I want to return to Spain. I feel very selfish. I want my son’s grandparents to spend more time with him, even though he has been there for a long time, there are cultural differences that I find difficult, the weather thing, which helps. You get here and it’s 20 degrees. My home is Spain and I will have to return. I don’t know what as, if at the club or doing other things, but in the medium term I want to return because I need it personally.

Adams season over after undergoing surgery

Tyler Adams season is all but over, after undergoing surgery in what is believed to be a grade three hamstring tear, which he sustained in training. The 24 year old has had a solid start to his Elland Road career since joining from RB Leipzig last Summer for £20m. He is one of Leeds best passers of the ball with an 82.4% success rate, and has won 143 duels, and 199 recoveries in 2157 minutes of game time.

Leeds can fall back on USA teammate Weston McKennie, who is more than capable of adopting the defensive midfield role, but needs to step up to the plate if he is going to match Adams impressive stats. Leeds have not commented on how long Adams will be sidelined for, but with less than two months (60 days) between now and the visit of Spurs, it's unlikely he'll recover in time.





Dan James on fire for Wales

Dan James produced a man-of-the-match performance for Wales last night, as Rob Page's side ran out 1-0 winners over Latvia. The 25 year old has struggled for game time this season, with 373 minutes of action, since signing a season long loan with Fulham on Transfer Deadline Day Last September.

Media reports labelled him as 'unplayable', and that his electrifying pace terrified the Latvian defence. Many Leeds fans will still see the £25m Leeds forked out for him, to be a costly mistake. The Whites are already inundated with wingers, and although with his pace, he offers something different, a return to the ER starting line up next season is a long way off.

[weasel]

Can't say I blame Orta. After living in Spain for a couple of years I definitely want to return to living there at some point, if not for having 2 young daughters I would have likely moved back over there when I split with the ex.

I don't see why a return to the starting line-up would be a long way off for Dan James. Gracia may see him as a good fit, or a new manager. Clearly it hasn't worked out for him at Fulham but it isn't always easy being a loan player as the manager may prefer to use 'his' players rather than someone who may only be there for a year - we have seen that with Cresswell this year. Clearly Dan James didn't fit Marsch's plans but that is no way any sort of judgement call on James. I can still see him as a central player being able to carry the ball forward through the middle at speed. Alternatively as an out and out winger he can also be electric with his speed. End product is the big question but he has shown in flashes in his career that he can be an unbelievably good player. I wouldn't be looking to write him off yet.

[DDB220]

No doubt the proverbial orderly queue for driving Orta to the airport will start here.

If we stay up his legacy will be half decent for some. If we go down he will be a heralded a villain of a similar level to Bates and Risdale.

[Kennyb41]

Yes it will, i will fly back from Asia to collect his bags and drive the prick to the airport myself.

Thankyou for smooth talking Bert to Leeds United clown (that's if you did)

Now fck off.

Twat.

[Kennyb41]

On DJ, shame Bert left he would've turned him into something special.

Along the lines of : KP, LC, PB, MK, SD, The Bunny, BW.

Shame dat.

Innit.

[White Riot]

See you Victor, don't let the door slap you on the arse on the way out.

Feel free to take Dan James and a host of your other recruits with you amigo.

Dan James did nothing at Scum, nothing at Leeds, and now nothing at Fulham. There's a theme here, can't just keep blaming the coaches and the systems deployed.

Fulham are doing well this season, but what has been Dan James's contribution to their success?

I'd ship him out asap. Problem is that, like a lot of his Leeds colleagues, nobody will want him.

Flags will be out when Orta and his two pals f**k off.

We have some cover in the midfield, but Adams, whose probably been our best player this season, will be a big miss.

Thank God this boring international break will be over soon.

[Kennyb41]

Adams ? H'mmm, interesting one.

Now we don't have Bert and his superb 4-1-4-1, we don't have many if any players we can't replace easy enough, perhaps Wober because we've gone all shite all over the park.

There are no obvious stand outs to any sort of stand out formation (what fcking formation) like we did have in KP LC and PB in the superb attacking 4-1-4-1.

He might be (doubt it) missed a little coz of his energy and cover, but more a liability with what Javi's aiming for.

Must dash.

[1964white]

Dan James did nothing at Scum, nothing at Leeds, and now nothing at Fulham. There's a theme here, can't just keep blaming the coaches and the systems deployed.

Fulham are doing well this season, but what has been Dan James's contribution to their success?

Made a similar comment with regard to Dan James the other day.

Wow! MOTM vs the mighty Latvia

DJ reminds me of muscle man at Wolves, pacey with no end product.

[1964white]

Can't say I blame Orta. After living in Spain for a couple of years I definitely want to return to living there at some point, if not for having 2 young daughters I would have likely moved back over there when I split with the ex.

I don't see why a return to the starting line-up would be a long way off for Dan James. Gracia may see him as a good fit, or a new manager. Clearly it hasn't worked out for him at Fulham but it isn't always easy being a loan player as the manager may prefer to use 'his' players rather than someone who may only be there for a year - we have seen that with Cresswell this year. Clearly Dan James didn't fit Marsch's plans but that is no way any sort of judgement call on James. I can still see him as a central player being able to carry the ball forward through the middle at speed. Alternatively as an out and out winger he can also be electric with his speed. End product is the big question but he has shown in flashes in his career that he can be an unbelievably good player. I wouldn't be looking to write him off yet

Can't Summerville & Gnonto do that job, only better & more effectively?

[SaraM]

Wonder if Orta knows he's gone in the summer anyway, with either the takeover or relegation looming. Trying to make it look like it's on his terms, probably.

It feels like he's become a millstone round the club's neck, so hopefully he won't be in charge of the summer transfer window either way.

[weasel]

Made a similar comment with regard to Dan James the other day.

Wow! MOTM vs the mighty Latvia

DJ reminds me of muscle man at Wolves, pacey with no end product.

Dan James at the start of his MU career was on fire. Scored some crackers and really wa sunstoppable at times. That player is still with him and it may be that similar to Gareth Bale he needs to feel wanted and appreciated to get the best out of him and as such for Wales they both play to their best. You also have to look at a lot of players that regressed somewhat under OGS at Man U. I don't know how good the coaching was and with MU being poor, by their standards, I think he seemed to be the easy target for the fans, especially given how great he was at the start they probably expected him to be like that all the time.

With us it is hard to judge as he was in a position he hadn't played in before, not his fault and noticeably he never complained and always gave it everything. There were definite flashes of what he can do like the game against Villa especially the shot that hit the bar. Would have been interesting to have been able to judge him fairly, i.e. played in the position Bielsa envisaged for him or even if he'd had a full pre-season under Bielsa. We saw so many players improve under Bielsa but it took time, usually long after us fans had written them off. Dan James had something like 5 months wiith Bielsa.

Being at Fulham it is again impossible to judge him. The team is doing well and the coach is using the players that the club own. Does his fit their system, was he brought in to be a different option (i.e. like Nketiah for us) when plan A wasn't working. We don't know any of this.

As such for me he is an asset for the manager next season. There is a player in there and a good manager can make players better.

[1964white]

Wonder if Orta knows he's gone in the summer anyway, with either the takeover or relegation looming. Trying to make it look like it's on his terms, probably.

It feels like he's become a millstone round the club's neck, so hopefully he won't be in charge of the summer transfer window either way.

You have likely hit the nail on the head, Sara.

[1964white]

Dan James at the start of his MU career was on fire. Scored some crackers and really wa sunstoppable at times. That player is still with him and it may be that similar to Gareth Bale he needs to feel wanted and appreciated to get the best out of him and as such for Wales they both play to their best. You also have to look at a lot of players that regressed somewhat under OGS at Man U. I don't know how good the coaching was and with MU being poor, by their standards, I think he seemed to be the easy target for the fans, especially given how great he was at the start they probably expected him to be like that all the time.

With us it is hard to judge as he was in a position he hadn't played in before, not his fault and noticeably he never complained and always gave it everything. There were definite flashes of what he can do like the game against Villa especially the shot that hit the bar. Would have been interesting to have been able to judge him fairly, i.e. played in the position Bielsa envisaged for him or even if he'd had a full pre-season under Bielsa. We saw so many players improve under Bielsa but it took time, usually long after us fans had written them off. Dan James had something like 5 months wiith Bielsa.

Being at Fulham it is again impossible to judge him. The team is doing well and the coach is using the players that the club own. Does his fit their system, was he brought in to be a different option (i.e. like Nketiah for us) when plan A wasn't working. We don't know any of this.

As such for me he is an asset for the manager next season. There is a player in there and a good manager can make players better.

Let's hope so, if Dan remains at ER.

[Cjay]

Orta.

Sounds to me like someone getting there excuses in before a departure.

I think he knows he may be let go in the summer ans is getting in first.

Interesting he only fronts up to Spanish media, given he was a journalist likely his mates.

Never does English media.

Adams.

He is out, the guy who is good mates with McKennie said so.

We don't have a like for like replacement and we are back to 1 injury away from having to use kids.

James.

Is a pacey player with poor technical ability who we signed because Bielsa had an obsession with running stats, simple as that.

There is no special player there to unlock.

Football is full of Dan James player.

Really fast players with poor end product

Poor signing.

Someone compared him to Adama Traore, James is nowhere near the dribbler Traore is but they both have bad end product

People have been waiting for Traore to develop his end product for nearly a decade.

It isn't going to happen, James is the same.

[Jaydog]

James.

Is a pacey player with poor technical ability who we signed because Bielsa had an obsession with running stats, simple as that.

There is no special player there to unlock.

Football is full of Dan James player.

Really fast players with poor end product

Poor signing.

Someone compared him to Adama Traore, James is nowhere near the dribbler Traore is but they both have bad end product

People have been waiting for Traore to develop his end product for nearly a decade.

It isn't going to happen, James is the same.

Dan James reaction to devastating Cjay verdict
Dan James reaction to the meaning of life

[White Riot]

Orta.

Sounds to me like someone getting there excuses in before a departure.

I think he knows he may be let go in the summer ans is getting in first.

Interesting he only fronts up to Spanish media, given he was a journalist likely his mates.

Never does English media.

Adams.

He is out, the guy who is good mates with McKennie said so.

We don't have a like for like replacement and we are back to 1 injury away from having to use kids.

James.

Is a pacey player with poor technical ability who we signed because Bielsa had an obsession with running stats, simple as that.

There is no special player there to unlock.

Football is full of Dan James player.

Really fast players with poor end product

Poor signing.

Someone compared him to Adama Traore, James is nowhere near the dribbler Traore is but they both have bad end product

People have been waiting for Traore to develop his end product for nearly a decade.

It isn't going to happen, James is the same.

As always you nailed it Cjay

We've been hearing the same stuff about Tyler Roberts for years "there's a player in there" wtf at?

They just don't like revealing their talents on the pitch. Masters of disguise masquerading as footballers.

If things are done fairly then Rutter should be given 100 appearances for us before he's judged, but he hasn't been.

I prefer players like Gnonto, or Wober, who come in, have an immediate impact and perform well consistently.

When will Roberts and James develop into ballers?

Never.

I thought the same with Orta, just getting the excuses in early before he's booted back to Spain. Sooner the better.

[Leeds1000]

At some point I want to return to Spain - Orta.

I agree it sounds like a farewell my friends i will be out of a job in the summer. His suggestion of Bielsa turned the club around and the late purchase of Raph was a gamble that was great for the fans. Gnonto will be another shrewd purchase but they were all bought for the resale purpose. Other than that if we go down he will largely be responsible.

Adams season over after undergoing surgery.

Big loss for me. Not for games like Arsenal but the gritty bitty games like Forest and co. The best most accurate aggressive tackler by a country mile and when he lays it simple its not his fault he hasn't had a proper ball player at the side of him. Batty had 3.

Dan James on fire for Wales.

We all know Int football is miles away from the PL. Whether we like him or not he will be back in the summer with a new manager to impress.

[weasel]

James.

Is a pacey player with poor technical ability who we signed because Bielsa had an obsession with running stats, simple as that.

There is no special player there to unlock.

Football is full of Dan James player.

Really fast players with poor end product

Poor signing.

Someone compared him to Adama Traore, James is nowhere near the dribbler Traore is but they both have bad end product

People have been waiting for Traore to develop his end product for nearly a decade.

It isn't going to happen, James is the same.

I would says he is ten times the dribbler that Traore is and more importantly he has been able to do it centrally from box to box. No matter how well you coach a player you cannot coach the speed that James has, you either have that or you don't. Take say Stuart Dallas as an example and Bielsa got the maximum out of him, made him a far better player than any of us imagined but you can't sudden;y give him express pace. So with a Dan James you have that pace and what you are then trying to add is the end product. The comparison with Traore is valid however the big difference is that we have seen several flashes of brilliant end product from James, albeit mainly in a red shirt. So there is undoubtably a 'special player to unlock.' He has shown it but the question is can anyone get it out of him consistently. They've tried it with Traore for years and it hasn't happened. That doesn't mean it can't happen with Dan James.

That for me is the big reason Barry White played Dan James up front. He put him in a position where he would have to learn, have to find the end product. Not so he would become a striker but so that when he burst forward with the ball and ran 50 yards with it then he would get himself into a position where he now had the experience of what to do when he got there. Some people will never understand the genius of Barry White or the way he tried to find solutions. Because solutions don't happen overnight then it isn't a failure, it just hasn't happened yet.

[Cjay]

I would says he is ten times the dribbler that Traore is and more importantly he has been able to do it centrally from box to box. No matter how well you coach a player you cannot coach the speed that James has, you either have that or you don't. Take say Stuart Dallas as an example and Bielsa got the maximum out of him, made him a far better player than any of us imagined but you can't sudden;y give him express pace. So with a Dan James you have that pace and what you are then trying to add is the end product. The comparison with Traore is valid however the big difference is that we have seen several flashes of brilliant end product from James, albeit mainly in a red shirt. So there is undoubtably a 'special player to unlock.' He has shown it but the question is can anyone get it out of him consistently. They've tried it with Traore for years and it hasn't happened. That doesn't mean it can't happen with Dan James.

That for me is the big reason Barry White played Dan James up front. He put him in a position where he would have to learn, have to find the end product. Not so he would become a striker but so that when he burst forward with the ball and ran 50 yards with it then he would get himself into a position where he now had the experience of what to do when he got there. Some people will never understand the genius of Barry White or the way he tried to find solutions. Because solutions don't happen overnight then it isn't a failure, it just hasn't happened yet.

Sorry mate but strongly disagree, I'm no fan of Traore but his dribbling is elite level and has been for years

James is a kick and rush speed demon.

Traore has power, close control and pace.

There is no comparison, Traore has been one of the best players at running with the ball for years (just rarely happens at the end).

He just last year was ranked the best dribbler in Europe per match.

Simply no comparison between Dan James and Traore in terms of dribbling.

Bielsa liked James because he ran a lot, Bielsa played him up front because he pressed a lot which we know he liked

He thought it would help the team even though the obvious end product issue was there.

Play percentages etc.

But I can say with 100% confidence that Dan Jamez will never be a special player

You can't teach technical ability, you cant teach a quick brain, you can't teach end product, you can't teach consistency.

You either have it or you dont.

Traore doesn't but has more talent than James.

James doesn't.

Bielsa wouldn't unlock it in James because it doesn't exist.

He was a press demon Bielsa thought he could mould, he was wrong

Dallas always had the hard work never say die attitude, I think of Dallas as a budget James Milner and credit to him and Bielsa.

But James is a Welsh Hadi Sacko.

Nice kid.

Championship level ability elite level pace.

[Kennyb41]

Jesus, you talk like you know him, that's impossible, you wanted him gone lol.

DJ - Originally wanted by Bert in the Championship, because he saw his workrate, speed and promise, perhaps thought without actually knowing until he got a hold of him, that he could work with him cutting in from the wing onto through balls to be delivered by Pablo.

Only complete fools think Bert wanted to play him up front alone lol.

Laughable and forced upon him, by a clown that goes and buys JKA types.

Get a grip of ya statz.

Must dash.