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Re: Why did Marsch fail? And what is his legacy?

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SaraM wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:11 am His legacy is the eradication of all the good things achieved by his predecessor. A massive step backwards, which we will now be fortunate to recover from.
That is a good point. I don't know if it's entirely his fault or circumstances, but after a few years of looking at football in a new way, a lot of Leeds fans have fallen back to embracing "it's all about results", "X can't play at this level, buy Y, if Y fails buy Z" thinking.
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Re: Why did Marsch fail? And what is his legacy?

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Mountain wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:17 am That is a good point. I don't know if it's entirely his fault or circumstances, but after a few years of looking at football in a new way, a lot of Leeds fans have fallen back to embracing "it's all about results", "X can't play at this level, buy Y, if Y fails buy Z" thinking.
Yes, absolutely, it's a cultural (by which I mean a way of thinking) devastation as much as a footballing one.
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Re: Why did Marsch fail? And what is his legacy?

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Poor poor choice in hindsight, its very difficult to see why he was chosen. I didn't know anything about him initially and i still couldn't tell you a great deal about his football style 11+ months on. Was Chelski just lucky along with the Arsenal performance. Why couldn't we replicate that performance on a regular basis. It seemingly took Corberan days to get his message accross to the WB players why did it take JM a year and he still didn't think they understood his methods? Baffling! I think the players just ended up doing their own thing out on the pitch in the end.

I feel like i have been cheated somewhat. I said it the other day. The constant drip drip of we are getting there, the players are starting to take things on board ect ect clouded my judgement for too long. He was never upto the job!
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SaraM wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:11 am Systemic failure from day one, and never up to the tactical or coaching requirements at this level. A total misfit personally and culturally.

His legacy is the eradication of all the good things achieved by his predecessor. A massive step backwards, which we will now be fortunate to recover from.

Also set back his own career, and served to highlight how the American approach to 'soccer' is on a different page, and a different level, to the rest of the footballing world.
In a nutshell again ^

And ...'lose the ball to win it back again bollocks'.........wtf is all that about ? Coz that's what it was.
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Leeds1000 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:36 am Poor poor choice in hindsight, its very difficult to see why he was chosen. I didn't know anything about him initially and i still couldn't tell you a great deal about his football style 11+ months on. Was Chelski just lucky along with the Arsenal performance. Why couldn't we replicate that performance on a regular basis. It seemingly took Corberan days to get his message accross to the WB players why did it take JM a year and he still didn't think they understood his methods? Baffling! I think the players just ended up doing their own thing out on the pitch in the end.

I feel like i have been cheated somewhat. I said it the other day. The constant drip drip of we are getting there, the players are starting to take things on board ect ect clouded my judgement for too long. He was never upto the job!
Only our chief Goon knows that, but we're in safe hands with clown steering our ship :tup:
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Re: Why did Marsch fail? And what is his legacy?

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Mountain wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:17 am That is a good point. I don't know if it's entirely his fault or circumstances, but after a few years of looking at football in a new way, a lot of Leeds fans have fallen back to embracing "it's all about results", "X can't play at this level, buy Y, if Y fails buy Z" thinking.
Hey don't forget the stats !

Stats stats stats these days, not open thine eyes and see for yourself what a genius can achieve with trash, some people need stats.

Whatever they are, what about this stat, how many managers can Leeds go through again before they find a genius coach whilst a clown rocks back in his chair and lights up another cigar huh ?

And we're off on the Leeds United manager go round !
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His tactics weren't working.....poor record from the start really and made to look better by a last day relegation escape.The squad overall has improved over two windows , though the current it's too soon to judge the real results .Marsch failed based on results .....whether the players didn't get his tactics or those tactics aren't realistic for the PL with better coaches , who knows , but basically it's about results .
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He failed because he technically wasn't a good enough manager, I don't doubt he had skills on the man-management side but when it came to the actual football he didn't have a clue
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If things turn around, his legacy may be the product of the recent transfer windows.
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Re: Jesse Marsch - SACKED!!!!

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Maybe it’s just because I read more articles when it’s us but we do always seem to get more negative press when we do away with managers than others. We have tosser coming out of the woodwork like warnock warning potential managers away, other PL managers saying we shouldn’t have sacked Jesse and Sutton calling our players jokes for talking about how their game went and generally honestly answering questions - it’s like everyone outside Leeds wants us to keep a manager who is taking us down and want to scupper us getting anyone decent. Can’t remember any of this at Everton
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WhiteRose wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:17 pm Maybe it’s just because I read more articles when it’s us but we do always seem to get more negative press when we do away with managers than others. We have tosser coming out of the woodwork like warnock warning potential managers away, other PL managers saying we shouldn’t have sacked Jesse and Sutton calling our players jokes for talking about how their game went and generally honestly answering questions - it’s like everyone outside Leeds wants us to keep a manager who is taking us down and want to scupper us getting anyone decent. Can’t remember any of this at Everton
Just had a listen to Neil Warnock on Talk Sport talking to Ali McCoist about Leeds United vacant manager situation. He had nothing but good things to say about us. He said " it would be a great challenge for Poch as it's a massive club (us).....Corberan should stay where he is because he's not used to managing a club as big (as us) even though he was assistant this would be very different for him"
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A great group of players & staff who never mentioned him again. Almost like he never happened.
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s**t!!! When?
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faaip wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:05 pms**t!!! When?
I knew you’d say that!
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Re: Jesse Marsch

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Cjay wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:44 pm
Well. Most of us would probably say that's not a great appointment.

But maybe he can keep them up with a little fist pumping and bravado

It's ironic to think that we made Leicester look top class against Marsch and couldn't do a thing to break them down, The same Leicester team that are awful under Rodgers

Selfishly hope he fails
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:48 pm Well. Most of us would probably say that's not a great appointment.

But maybe he can keep them up with a little fist pumping and bravado

It's ironic to think that we made Leicester look top class against Marsch and couldn't do a thing to break them down, The same Leicester team that are awful under Rodgers

Selfishly hope he fails
On the face of it its a dreadful appointment.

Even the "He kept us up" thing is tainted by the fact we would have gone down last game if other teams did there job.

And if Raphinha hadn't then decided he wasn't going to let it happen

The fact we conceded the same goal most gamed and Firpo and even Adams have spoken out against his style (indirectly) shows that even the players despite what he said found it difficult or unworkable.

And then you have his willingness to throw his players under the bus publicly which is hardly going to raise a dressing room on its knees.

The only thing going for Marsch has nothing to do with him.

That Leicester squad shouldn't go down.

More than enough talent to survive.

But he himself is a terrible appointment who has failed in back to back jobs in major leagues.

The style for me is totally flawed and it's all he knows.

Unless he has had time to reflect on his own shortcomings (which he stubbornly refused to admit here, preferring to blame the players for being scared or not doing what he told tjem) then it won't work imo.
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Re: Jesse Marsch- On the verge of Leicester job

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Shouldn't we all be thrilled that one of our relegation rivals might hire a terrible Manager like Jesse Marsch?
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BlackHillsPaul wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:58 pm Shouldn't we all be thrilled that one of our relegation rivals might hire a terrible Manager like Jesse Marsch?
Agree Paul. My thoughts exactly!
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