Javi Gracia- Watford boss (again)

[Mick Jones shoulder]

That'll be two blips then...

[Cjay]

You can see why he was a desperation appointment

Negative
Plays favourites
Passive

But still one of the least to blame for this mess.

That being said I'd love to get Favre in to finish the season.

[Victor_OTT_17]

Out of his depth and seemingly (now), a very bad (desperate) choice! Big Sam would have been a much better choice as he take's no cr@p but tbh, I cannot stand him. I'd still have taken him over Gracia...

[Kennyb41]

You could try 20 different managers and it still won't be Orta's fault.

Comes out smelling of roses ya see coz of his gift of the gab.

No need.

[Clacton White]

You could try 20 different managers and it still won't be Orta's fault.

Comes out smelling of roses ya see coz of his gift of the gab.

No need.

But Orta has saved this club .........he keeps telling us so . Don't you believe him . I couldn't stand Ken Bates .........but I think Orta isn't too far behind in my estimation now , his arrogance and ego will cost the club dear , probably it's Premier League status .Orta really doesn't have one little clue , the problem is though in his mind he is a genius .

[SG90]

Got it wrong again today. This defensive tactic hasn't worked, so why keep doing it?

[Kennyb41]

But Orta has saved this club .........he keeps telling us so . Don't you believe him . I couldn't stand Ken Bates .........but I think Orta isn't too far behind in my estimation now , his arrogance and ego will cost the club dear , probably it's Premier League status .Orta really doesn't have one little clue , the problem is though in his mind he is a genius .

Yep.

[Cjay]

But Orta has saved this club .........he keeps telling us so . Don't you believe him . I couldn't stand Ken Bates .........but I think Orta isn't too far behind in my estimation now , his arrogance and ego will cost the club dear , probably it's Premier League status .Orta really doesn't have one little clue , the problem is though in his mind he is a genius .

Never forget

It's all about him for Orta.

If the club benefit thats OK but in his head he comes first

[Cjay]

Cowardly technically crap bottle jobs on the pitch

Negative desperate boss on the sidelines

[The Subhuman]

Got it wrong again today. This defensive tactic hasn't worked, so why keep doing it?

It can't work in the modern EPL, the game is littered with too many good to great players and it's a more expansive game than it used to be.. If you set up defensively the opposition sees that and knows it can launch wave after wave of attacks... Fulham basically played a 424 today

It wasn't a truism bt it is now. The best defence is a good offence and we have a good offence

[Ackermann]

Garcia is a fukking JOKER. After that post match bs he said, he can fukk off...clueless knobhead. Basically saying Gnonto is overrated, but picking the shyte like Aaronson and Harrison every fukking game.

[Cjay]

It can't work in the modern EPL, the game is littered with too many good to great players and it's a more expansive game than it used to be.. If you set up defensively the opposition sees that and knows it can launch wave after wave of attacks... Fulham basically played a 424 today

It wasn't a truism bt it is now. The best defence is a good offence and we have a good offence

Brentford make defensive counter attacking football work very well.

They average less possession than we have under Gracia.

But they have have well coached solid team with the players able to do the style

We don't.

We have a squad built (badly) for a high pressing front foot style, we lack in key areas

But we absolutely don't have the players to play like Brentford or like Gracia is trying.

But we've tried attacking high pressing football and that hasn't worked for years either

So . . . . What do you do

[Overman]

Garcia is a fukking JOKER. After that post match bs he said, he can fukk off...clueless knobhead. Basically saying Gnonto is overrated, but picking the shyte like Aaronson and Harrison every fukking game.

He doesn't come across as the most inspiring manager for sure. There could well be an issue with Gnonto, something certainly is not right. Javi will soon be joining the extensive list of shite managers we've employed over the years. The root of it all stems from the inept ownership and it may not be such a bad thing if we do go down. The sooner Radz and his sychophants are gone, the better.

[Ackermann]

He doesn't come across as the most inspiring manager for sure. There could well be an issue with Gnonto, something certainly is not right. Javi will soon be joining the extensive list of shite managers we've employed over the years. The root of it all stems from the inept ownership and it may not be such a bad thing if we do go down. The sooner Radz and his sychophants are gone, the better.

Well, going down doesn`t seem an option anymore - could be realistically down after Leiceser game - but who knows.
Very disappointed by Garcia...hadn`t a clue who he is before coming in. But yesterday we lost 5 points in total against our
relevant rivals and could have been more...and that with us playing a team clearly not totally commited.

Orta certainy fits some aspects of some kind of pathological mind-set (must get out my DCM or ICD). My fear is that the 49ers are part
of this debacle with their US coach/players approach which simply has failed big time. And doubt they are interested in investing too much more money either.

But a rebuild is necessary under what circumstances ever. It`s as bad as the Ridsdale debacle in my eyes regarding the ineptness of some people. Even worse: Ridsdale took a forseeable and necessary (?) big risk, that could have payed off had be got into the CL a second year running we were cheated of). This lot didn`t even realize we got to dream land without investing big time and thought it would continue like that after a single year of investing a decent amount of money if mostly in shyte players. (Raphinha the big exception.)

It`ll cost us a lot this time round, but not like administration, league 1 and 16 years of EFL...that`s about the amount of hope that is left in me. ps: The time it will take to get this club into the CL again is unforseeable...I mean virtually impossible without biilionaire owners. But then it can be enjoying to watch a team which plays as a team and gives it all in a lower league I guess...


ps: Assuming we don`t beat or even lose against Leiceser what will the atmospere be like at Elland Road..-crowd seldom really gets toxic against players nor board...?

[VinnysTattoo]

Up to half time at the Palace game I thought he was a good fit, at least to the end of the season.

Some on here were even touting a new contract in the Summer should he keep us up.

Something changed as discussed on this board and he became more cautious, more timid in his outlook.

From bold attacking football to nervous confused tactics in two short years. Who saw that coming after that first year back?

[Jaydog]

Up to half time at the Palace game I thought he was a good fit, at least to the end of the season.

Some on here were even touting a new contract in the Summer should he keep us up.

Something changed as discussed on this board and he became more cautious, more timid in his outlook.

From bold attacking football to nervous confused tactics in two short years. Who saw that coming after that first year back?

Being brutally honest though there was a little fortune in his 3 wins & a draw but still a massive drop off since HT v Palace.
He needs to offload all the passengers now and field a team that might give a s**t.

[CHAPELALLMAN]

Being brutally honest though there was a little fortune in his 3 wins & a draw but still a massive drop off since HT v Palace.
He needs to offload all the passengers now and field a team that might give a s**t.

Only hope now is to drop Meslier, Roca, McKennie, Aaronson, Harrison and Rodrigo immediately. Retain them in the 1st team and we are down.

[Jaydog]

Only hope now is to drop Meslier, Roca, McKennie, Aaronson, Harrison and Rodrigo immediately. Retain them in the 1st team and we are down.

He hasn’t the balls to do that. What would his midfield be. He’ll trot out Roca & McKennie till the cows come home.

[CHAPELALLMAN]

He hasn’t the balls to do that. What would his midfield be. He’ll trot out Roca & McKennie till the cows come home.

In which case I reckon we are down.

[Jaydog]

In which case I reckon we are down.

Most likely. Between us & Everton as I think Leicester will leapfrog us, possibly on Tuesday but they will definitely get out of trouble. Could be an all time low points score to stay up.