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Anonymous wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:27 pm I'd suggest that's exactly what he did, always trying to utilise the best players available, playing in positions which made the best of the system overall.

What was the alternative? Try to play defensively with players who haven't been bought for that style? That's what we've attempted to do for the latter part of this season, and it's got us relegated.

The failure under Bielsa was due to the lack of recruitment the previous summer; likely a result of already having Marsch lined up as replacement.
True yet again, but i don't see it as 'the failure under Bielsa' I see it as a downturn in performance totally out of his hands due to the complete incompetence of the clown, and the totally unfortunate fact that he trimmed the squad so much to save the club money that he came unstuck a bit with a terribly unfortunate again, sequence of events re injuries and bans.

Something i'm absolutely 100% certain he had the intelligence to learn from and correct, making sure it didn't happen again.
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Anonymous wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:34 pm I don't think so. If we'd backed him properly after the 9th place finish, and stuck by him, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.

The only blame I attribute to Bielsa is being too accommodating with the board. He could obviously see that he wasn't being backed with adequate signings. This being spun as Bielsa's 'stubbornness' in being 'difficult to buy for' has been exposed as total bollocks by the subsequent failure of the signings he rejected. He should have dug his heels in and demanded better imo.
Yes :tup:

Perhaps a minor fault in my eyes too is - He's too quiet for his own good, silence speaks volumes in the naming of Thorpe Arch in his name, but as far as Orta and some other things go, he should've been screaming...'WHAT THE FCKING HELL HAVE I GOT HERE FFS !!!!'

But he wasn't that type really was he.
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weasel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:28 pm Ah it's the use the mythical formation that would have taken a team comprised of several players that weren't even starters in our championship side and suddenly beaten every team. It's ridiculous how many people still see it this way - when we were losing we had starting line-ups that would have struggled to compete for mid table in the championship. The likes of a half fit Forshaw, Shackleton, Roberts etc starting games. Players back from injury and having to play, Klich soldiering on with a hip injury etc. Yes we took some beatings but there was no magical formula to stop the beatings and yet despite all the problems we still were getting wins against West Ham and Burnley and coming from 3-1 down to draw with Villa.
Absolutely fcking spot on as per.

Thankyou for that Weasel.

Fck knows why they're constantly in denial about the great man.

I'll defend the man till i know, dumb fcks that they are.
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Overman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:04 pm:roll:
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Fatter than brolin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:44 pm I would be quite happy with Tony mowbray, he did a good job with Sunderland this year, they weren't expected to get anywhere near promotion due to having a very young squad. Sunderland talked about sacking him days after losing in the playoffs and their fans kicked off saying it was an enjoyable season, we do have some good young talent give them their head I say with a manager that will play them
Enlighten me please, who do you see as young talent ?
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Phild wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:37 am If the board would not back Bielsa after the 9th place finish why did he stay on . Not the type that would do so.
Knew he liked small squads so guess what happens when we got injuries...........
Perhaps he was happy with things in that Summer.
Guess we will never know.
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Yes spot on, if Plan A isn't working, find out why and correct it and make it work, coz that's the best plan.

Slight adjustments trying to create perfection.
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CHAPELALLMAN wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:45 am I thought Marsch with his high defensive line, pressing style got us relegated ? Now it's because we sat back and were too defensive apparently...
I'm pretty convinced now you're blind.

How long is it gonna take you and others to realise that our defenders are actually v v shite at the skill or art of defending?

Bert realised it instantly and found the perfect way to utilise the useless fckers by getting them 110% fit and going on the attack with them.
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CHAPELALLMAN wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:50 am Something was wrong when the players came back after their summer break following that 9th place finish. I wonder if after 3 seasons of intensive training and murderball, with a sergeant major type manager some players just couldn't face another season following their luxury 5 star holidays.

Their whole attitude had changed, and anyway, many of them had already secured their futures with long PL contracts. Maybe some were thinking ' oh no, I've got to put my body through all this for another season, and there will be no squad rotation. '
You fcking make stuff up as you go along.

Right, that's a fair bit off me chest, who the fcks the next gobshite to be running this shitefest ?
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CHAPELALLMAN wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:50 am Something was wrong when the players came back after their summer break following that 9th place finish. I wonder if after 3 seasons of intensive training and murderball, with a sergeant major type manager some players just couldn't face another season following their luxury 5 star holidays.

Their whole attitude had changed, and anyway, many of them had already secured their futures with long PL contracts. Maybe some were thinking ' oh no, I've got to put my body through all this for another season, and there will be no squad rotation. '
I think you are right about that point - even a broken clock is right twice a day!

What needs to be considered though is that it was a very short break following on from a very short break the season before due to the covid disruptions and the league playing catch up. We ended the previous season fantastically losing just 1 of our final 11 matches -a defeat to Brighton - and conceding just 8 goals in those 11 matches despite playing Chelsea, Man C, Man U, Liverpool and Spurs. I feel that after that strong ending we maybe felt the players needed a break and gave them too long a break and didn't quite get the pre-season right so we were a bit undercooked at the start of the first match. I would compare this to several Aussie cricket tours in recent years where we seem to land in Australia and play before we seem acclimatised and are then 2-0 or 3-0 down before we start competing.

You then throw in players like Klich, KP and others who played international matches throughout the summer so didn't really get a break and it was all very disruptive.

We were also in unchartered territory in terms of how well players can cope with the intensive football for a longer period than Bielsa had been at a club before. So you have to try to balance that which wouldn't be easy. Players like Klich for example needing a rest but having to play due to the limited strength in our small squad - squad size is fine if the quality in the squad is okay because you can then rest players like Man City do.

So yes I do feel we were undercooked at the start but that may have led to us getting stronger towards the end of the season - this seemed to happen, to some degree, even after Bielsa left as the players were still fit. I would contrast it to a season I had as a player when the club I went to decided to carry on playing throughout the summer rather than taking a break. We started the season on fire, probably because we were fitter and more cohesive than other teams, but then I felt it caught up with us later in the season as we slumped from top to mid table and were getting beaten by teams we had comfortably beaten earlier in the season.

So I would agree with your point but disagree with your reasons for why it was so.
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BBC website saying Marsch is shortlisted to take over at Monaco
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Pullhard wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:09 am BBC website saying Marsch is shortlisted to take over at Monaco
Celtic job linked as well.

The bloke must have the most incredible agent in the world.

How'd you do in your most recent jobs Jesse.

Sacked bro but as Ghandi said, he who hugs a lion must face the Wind.

You're hired!!!!!

But yeah the new Monaco Sporting Director is apparently a Red Bull guy so that's why
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Anonymous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:24 pm True dat.

Really hope he doesn't go to Celtic - don't want my Scottish team buggering up as well!
Why is the Wind capitalized?

I'm also a Celtic fan ...after Raith of course
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The Subhuman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:28 pm Why is the Wind capitalized?

I'm also a Celtic fan ...after Raith of course
Because reasons :)

I don't know tbh didn't notice I had :lol:

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I've decided Brendan Rogers is on his way.
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I’d like Vieira. A bit of that French flair. Why not
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My Celtic mate didn't believe me when i said Ange would be coming to Leeds. Now he's going to a far smaller club than both. Lets see Spurs get 136,000 fans against anyone. Oddly when i looked into it Leeds couldn't sell their away allocation. I'm presuming... but was it cos of fear of being murdered up there? Because we always travelled well didn't we, even then?

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Given Kinnear is apparently heading our manager search and I imagine his knowledge of managers is limited to people he has played golf with or people Orta mentioned I thought I'd post this.
It's not gone well at Monaco in the end with some pretty bad criticism from the Monaco fans which I won't mention now.

But I bring him up becomes of this.

First of all a Dutch news source said we approached him when we sacked Marsch (Clement turned us down).

Sounds like idle speculation of course.

But our very reliable bald Eagle Phil Hay said this in December 2021.

One name mentioned to me (but I really am just speculating here) was Phillipe Clement at Club Brugge.

This was in response to a Bielsa replacement if and when.

As it turned out mere days later Clement became Monaco manager.

So it wouldn't be a shock if he was in the frame.

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Daniel Farke whose just been sacked by Borussia Mönchengladbach after only 1 season has shot up the betting odds to be top 10 and ahead of Graham Potter.

We have also been linked to ego maniac Norwich DOF Stuart Webber.. . . . . The man who appointed Farke at Norwich
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Will watch how he does with interest if he goes.

A risk but always liked the idea of Knutsen here.
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Rodgers would rather take the easy job at Celtic than embroil himself in a mess at Leeds.

Still nothing coming from the club regarding ownership.
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