Crysencio Summerville- Leaves for West Ham confirmed

[weasel]

Don't feel like we've been fleeced this summer, unlike previous years. Got decent value for both big sales.

Yeah I think both fees seem about fair as there is a lot of risk with both players sold. Archie could be great but equally how many wonderkids never make it? We've seen loads of tricks and bits of ability from Gray but not an actual great deal of final ball. That might all come and he may be a fantastic player but it is Tottenham's risk now.

Summerville may sparkle in the prem and reproduce his best performances from the championship. Equally he might be exposed as bit of a one trick pony whereby good defenders know what to expect and simply keep him on the outside where his crossing ability, or lack of, will be exposed. It is West Ham's risk and whilst he may have lit up the championship for us again it is likely that he'd have found it tougher to do it all again now that opponents know more about him.

And for me we probably won't miss either of them this season. Gnonto switching to the left probably has the ability to do similar to Summerville and whilst Gray has promise Bogle at this stage probably offers more from ful back and Rothwell may be less flashy but offer more end product in midfield.

[malcolmw]

Bye Jimmy

So perhaps Cry's message you posted is what you/we should be taking from this at the end of the day.
A young talent developed, enabled to make a strong contribution to his club, and then make a jump in his career, leaving with Leeds having a special place his heart.

I'd say that's a success story.

Now move on and focus on the season ahead instead of trying to find holes that aren't as large as you may think.

Maybe we do get someone like Ryan Kent who comes in and offers the same excitement. That's what's so great about been a football fan right?

[malcolmw]

The club sold the Gray and Red Bull deals as the answer to ffp.

Then again Marathe was demoted at 49ers for leaking stuff to the press so he's not above trying to use the media to manipulate.

It's a poor price really imo and made worse by the club lying.

Let's hope they are telling the truth about being organised.

When / where was Marathe demoted at the 49ers? I don't recall that?

[weasel]

When / where was Marathe demoted at the 49ers? I don't recall that?

I presuming Cjay is referring to something that happened late 2015 / early 2016.

Perceptions of the 49ers' management have improved markedly and so, as a result, have views on Marathe's. Replacing him as team president in 2016 was seen externally as a demotion but that led him to take on new responsibility for 49ers Enterprises, the investment vehicle which has led this purchase of Leeds.

Marathe's reassignment was his choice and he will now be an equity partner in York family ventures, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Marathe still will be involved with team but he is choosing a more lucrative career path.

[malcolmw]

I presuming Cjay is referring to something that happened late 2015 / early 2016.

Yeah, there was no demotion.
The New York Times article about him just as the full 49ers Leeds takeover was about to happen, gives a pretty good account of his career development and his recruitment from Bain & Co. by the 49ers.
It also illustrates how he managed to keep the deal going even after Leeds were relegated and at least 1 major investor pulled out.
It also, interestingly, gives some insight into his dealings with Radz.

[SG90]

As good as Summerville is, every team already had their tactics set out against us. At least this will make us less predictable.

[SG90]

We have no idea what the price was because the club have made West Ham agree not to tell anyone

Strange how £35m from the Championship is considered 'cheap' now lol

[Cjay]

Strange how £35m from the Championship is considered 'cheap' now lol

The deal isn't worth £35mil lol.

Besides Dutch media say Feyenoord expect somewhere between £4-5mil.

No sell on clause for Summerville either nor Gray

[SG90]

The deal isn't worth £35mil lol.

Besides Dutch media say Feyenoord expect somewhere between £4-5mil.

No sell on clause for Summerville either nor Gray

Oops that was meant to be 25

[weasel]

The deal isn't worth £35mil lol.

Besides Dutch media say Feyenoord expect somewhere between £4-5mil.

No sell on clause for Summerville either nor Gray

Well that would suggest 20% of any profit then if the fee is around £25m.

Likely the clause was for a set amount. WH likely didn't want to meet the amount all in one payment which was likely part of the delay as the club thrashed out a deal that is likely to be around the release fee clause if around half of the add ons are met. If the fee is the £25m + add ons it would suggest the release fee was set at £30m.

Sounds similar to with Archie and the Brentford offer. They sort of matched the release fee but were also trying to do it creatively rather than simply meeting the clause release outright.

[danhirons]

Indeed. Considering how many clubs were supposedly after him it is remarkable the lack of genuine interest. Maybe we set the asking price too high for all those clubs, the £30m-£40m suggestions on here would appear far from realistic. If the £25m was cheap then why aren't other clubs breaking down the door?

Summerville had his best season and this is his big chance to get a move. It does look however like it is going to be a stepping stone move, to a club where if he then does well he will get a move to a 'big' club. The Chelseas, Liverpools etc can see how he does in the prem, over a full season, and if he does well then they will make a move. If he does average or worse then he stays where he is or even goes out on loan etc.

It was always likely he would leave, he might never raise his profile higher. He has deserved a move where he will no doubt get a pay increase and sign a contract that will set him up for life. If he stayed and had as good a season again then his stock only rises slightly as he is still unproven at a higher level. If he stayed and had a bad season then his 'big' move never happens.

exactly

[1964white]

Good luck Cree.

[Cjay]

We don't know what the price was but again no other club was willing to match whatever price that was. Agents will leak that information to potential buyers so if the price is lower than £25m all it does is show that other clubs still weren't prepared to pay whatever the fee was.

Tbf we have absolutely no idea who his agent spoke to, how many clubs, plenty of reputable journalists have reported interest from all over the place.

La Liga, Bundesliga, Italy

I'm sure much more interest than Just West Ham.

Maybe he didn't fancy a move abroad? Maybe like many he fancied a move to London, maybe he was waiting for Liverpool (which did come from reputable journalists) but they aren't buying anyone atm haven't signed a soul.

In the end what we do know for a fact if we take the club at its word is we had 0 say, the Red Bull and Gray deals despite what they said gave us 0 negotiating power and that was total pr nonsense.

Wish Jimmy well, needs replacing as a matter of urgency imo.

[weasel]

Tbf we have absolutely no idea who his agent spoke to, how many clubs, plenty of reputable journalists have reported interest from all over the place.

La Liga, Bundesliga, Italy

I'm sure much more interest than Just West Ham.

Maybe he didn't fancy a move abroad? Maybe like many he fancied a move to London, maybe he was waiting for Liverpool (which did come from reputable journalists) but they aren't buying anyone atm haven't signed a soul.

In the end what we do know for a fact if we take the club at its word is we had 0 say, the Red Bull and Gray deals despite what they said gave us 0 negotiating power and that was total pr nonsense.

Wish Jimmy well, needs replacing as a matter of urgency imo.

Interest my dear doesn't put rice on the plate. Interest perhaps but only 1 acceptable bid. If there are no other bids you can't start a bidding war so at some point you have to decide if the bid is acceptable and given that it met the supposed release clause then it would either appear to have been acceptable or high enough that we couldn't turn it down.

The Gray deal would appear on the face of it to have enabled us to turn down any bids we may have got for Summerville that were below what we wanted or below the clause fee. Perhaps also so that we could turn down bids for other players too.

Jimmy doesn't need replacing - I'd rather see the money invested in other areas of the pitch. We have Gnonto and James on the wings with Aaronsen as back up and Rutter in emergency. If we can get a player of the same quality as Summerville, Gnonto, James or Rutter that is happy to come in and compete for a place then great.

[Cjay]

Interest my dear doesn't put rice on the plate. Interest perhaps but only 1 acceptable bid. If there are no other bids you can't start a bidding war so at some point you have to decide if the bid is acceptable and given that it met the supposed release clause then it would either appear to have been acceptable or high enough that we couldn't turn it down.

The Gray deal would appear on the face of it to have enabled us to turn down any bids we may have got for Summerville that were below what we wanted or below the clause fee. Perhaps also so that we could turn down bids for other players too.

Jimmy doesn't need replacing - I'd rather see the money invested in other areas of the pitch. We have Gnonto and James on the wings with Aaronsen as back up and Rutter in emergency. If we can get a player of the same quality as Summerville, Gnonto, James or Rutter that is happy to come in and compete for a place then great.

Atm it's had no benefit far as I can see.

If a release clause exists you can't have a bidding war, you get very little say.

A clause is a clause.

You have to replace your best attacking player, be it directly or by using the money in other areas.

A number 8 a number 10 etc.

But we have a lot of goals and assists to replace.

We had this last January, can't bring anyone in we have James and Rutter and so on, that went well.

You always look to improve and replacing Jimmy in some way is aj absolute must imo.

[DDB220]

Tbf we have absolutely no idea who his agent spoke to, how many clubs, plenty of reputable journalists have reported interest from all over the place.

La Liga, Bundesliga, Italy

I'm sure much more interest than Just West Ham.

Maybe he didn't fancy a move abroad? Maybe like many he fancied a move to London, maybe he was waiting for Liverpool (which did come from reputable journalists) but they aren't buying anyone atm haven't signed a soul.

In the end what we do know for a fact if we take the club at its word is we had 0 say, the Red Bull and Gray deals despite what they said gave us 0 negotiating power and that was total pr nonsense.

Wish Jimmy well, needs replacing as a matter of urgency imo.

It has been widely reported that Liverpool want Gordon. Lots of stories about this and using Gomez as a sweetener.

[Cjay]

It has been widely reported that Liverpool want Gordon. Lots of stories about this and using Gomez as a sweetener.

The Liverpool interest was reported by Dutch outlets and Romano himself.

Maybe he was 2nd,3rd,4th choice and Liverpool are still waiting, who knows.

But despite the desire by some to talk Summerville down I don't believe West Ham were the only interested party.

We know Brighton had an offer turned down for a start.

We know Newcastle had a nibble as well, The Athletic said so.

So I don't think it was a lack of interest, maybe West Ham decided to act first, maybe the London factor, maybe snake Kinnear helps his old bosses

It's irrelevant now, just not sure why so many want to talk our best player last season down.

[Orange Box]

I hope he does well at West Ham, it’s pretty difficult to dislike them,, but I can’t help but think the PL defenders will work him out pretty quickly. I hope he gets the coaching he needs to take him to the next level.

[weasel]

I hope he does well at West Ham, it’s pretty difficult to dislike them,, but I can’t help but think the PL defenders will work him out pretty quickly. I hope he gets the coaching he needs to take him to the next level.

Hopefully if he turns into another Kalvin then West Ham win the trophy and he gets his dutch cap (ooh er missus) whilst he sits on the bench and we get the money,

[Jaydog]

Did I imagine it or did he already play in the PL.
Nice finish at Anfield I seem to remember.
Maybe it was a dream.