Summer transfer and squad discussion

[AcrossThePondAsh]

Source: https://x.com/mcgrathmike/status/182910 ... ck-deal%2F

[whiteinfrance]

Too late to change now 64 I'm 61 in October

Just a young pup on here!

[Cjay]

Had a £10mil plus Piroe bid rejected for Gus Hamer.

[PhoenixUnited]

Had a £10mil plus Piroe bid rejected for Gus Hamer.

It's being suggested that the coaching staff at Blunts don't fancy Piroe if that is what it is does that counts as a rejection of the offer?

It's a game of who is going to blink first it seems to me. The stakes are high indeed. My gut feeling is that Leeds will slightly increase the offer and at the last minute the Blunts will buckle but they are not through playing silly beggars just yet

Also, if it is true that Piroe has been offered up as makeweight in a deal that is tantamount to throwing him under the bus. If it all falls down I can't think of anything so demotivating for Piroe who, as things are, is the only cover we have for a young and relatively raw lad playing at centre forward for us; Bamford is still there but way, way short of being fully fit and just a passenger, as he has been for a long time for us now. Piroe and Daniel Farke just have not found the solution to get the best out of Piroe and are just faffing around baffled!

[Cjay]

It's being suggested that the coaching staff at Blunts don't fancy Piroe if that is what it is does that counts as a rejection of the offer?

It's a game of who is going to blink first it seems to me. The stakes are high indeed. My gut feeling is that Leeds will slightly increase the offer and at the last minute the Blunts will buckle but they are not through playing silly beggars just yet

Also, if it is true that Piroe has been offered up as makeweight in a deal that is tantamount to throwing him under the bus. If it all falls down I can't think of anything so demotivating for Piroe who, as things are, is the only cover we have for a young and relatively raw lad playing at centre forward for us; Bamford is still there but way, way short of being fully fit and just a passenger, as he has been for a long time for us now. Piroe and Daniel Farke just have not found the solution to get the best out of Piroe and are just faffing around baffled!

We've denied the bid through the YEP.

I don't think we get Hamer now, he isn't a 10, so Tanaka should take his place I guess.

Signing Hamer and playing him out of position could go the same way Piroe did?

I want Sallai

As for Piroe I rate him highly, he isn't the problem, Farke is, doesn't know how to use him.

If we sold him to Blunts or another Championship rival every chance he turns back into the guy who was genuinely one of if not the best striker in the league and gets 20+goals and assists.

Keep JP.

Get Sallai imo.

[The Subhuman]

Had a £10mil plus Piroe bid rejected for Gus Hamer.

They may regret that...that's a 20M bid.

[mentalcase]

I agree that Piroe is top player in this league, like Rodrigo before him, we haven't used their best positions.
Can't we offer bamford and we'll pay the rest !!

[Jammy 07]

We've denied the bid through the YEP.

I don't think we get Hamer now, he isn't a 10, so Tanaka should take his place I guess.

Signing Hamer and playing him out of position could go the same way Piroe did?

I want Sallai

As for Piroe I rate him highly, he isn't the problem, Farke is, doesn't know how to use him.

If we sold him to Blunts or another Championship rival every chance he turns back into the guy who was genuinely one of if not the best striker in the league and gets 20+goals and assists.

Keep JP.

Get Sallai imo.

At what cost to the team results would Piroe’s 20 goals cost though ?

The only role that suits him is basically one where he floats about up front and has limited defensive duties and didn’t Swansea finish 13th with all his goals in the team.

[whiteinfrance]

Had a £10mil plus Piroe bid rejected for Gus Hamer.

Claim being denied

[Cjay]

At what cost to the team results would Piroe’s 20 goals cost though ?

The only role that suits him is basically one where he floats about up front and has limited defensive duties and didn’t Swansea finish 13th with all his goals in the team.

I think that does him a disservice.

I know people don't like the analysis stuff but when we signed him The Athletic did a big piece on him and his data backs up that he is far better at the things people don't think he is.

He ranked higher than Bamford for link play, hold up play and things like that.

The only thing he lacked was distance running, so pressing I guess.

But we knew that when we signed him

https://fbref.com/en/players/1f0072a6/s ... ing-Report

You can look at his analysis here, he's pretty decent at most things from his time at Swansea.

He isn't just the goal scoring plodder people think.

https://fbref.com/en/players/93feac6e/s ... ing-Report

This is Bamford in our Promotion season and he ranks higher than Paddy in most things, even tackles and interceptions, the things we don't think he does.

So clearly he isn't the issue, it isn't he can't do these things so what is it?

We've been lead to believe he is some ploddy goal hanger but the data says different.

All the data that clubs will use tells us he is a much more rounded striker than Bamford.

[pjm2019]

I doubt we'll get another No.9, although we are weak in that department & probably require one, as Bamford is injury prone, I don't trust Piroe, so we are putting a lot of pressure on young Joseph.

I still think we can top the league, though.

We have Gnonto, James, Aaronson & with the new additions, Soloman, Ranizani & Tanaka, who are going to be far too powerful for championship clubs to cope with such prowess.

lets remember players get injured (james & Bamford out against Hull) ans at times lose form. So we need more incomings. Just read we offered Piroe plus Cash for Hammer which they rejected

[andrewjohnsmith]

lets remember players get injured (james & Bamford out against Hull) ans at times lose form. So we need more incomings. Just read we offered Piroe plus Cash for Hammer which they rejected

Hearing theres no truth in the Bamford part exchange. It sounded like made up crap anyway.

Anyway why would we trade our 3rd striker for a 5th midfielder. Absolute nonsense. Happier to have Bamford, Piroe, and Joseph competing for the 9 shirt.

[Jammy 07]

I think that does him a disservice.

I know people don't like the analysis stuff but when we signed him The Athletic did a big piece on him and his data backs up that he is far better at the things people don't think he is.

He ranked higher than Bamford for link play, hold up play and things like that.

The only thing he lacked was distance running, so pressing I guess.

But we knew that when we signed him

https://fbref.com/en/players/1f0072a6/s ... ing-Report

You can look at his analysis here, he's pretty decent at most things from his time at Swansea.

He isn't just the goal scoring plodder people think.

https://fbref.com/en/players/93feac6e/s ... ing-Report

This is Bamford in our Promotion season and he ranks higher than Paddy in most things, even tackles and interceptions, the things we don't think he does.

So clearly he isn't the issue, it isn't he can't do these things so what is it?

We've been lead to believe he is some ploddy goal hanger but the data says different.

All the data that clubs will use tells us he is a much more rounded striker than Bamford.

Probably some really good analysis there but I'm going to be honest and admit I'm too lazy to look at it. Another reason for not looking is simply what my eyes tell me everytime I watch Piroe live at ER and the message my brain is receiving each and every time is that to score goals he needs that free role to roam where he feels the opportunties will present themselves. Nothing wrong with that and he's probably pretty good at it as well. What he can't do is run the channels for balls inbetween full backs and centre halfs, or played over the top, which means we get squeezed and when we get squeezed and the play becomes compressed we don't have the skillful midfield creators to break teams down and score enough goals.

The difference when Bamford came back into the team last season was also clear to see as our opponents defensive lines were immediately forced to drop 3 or 4 yards due to there now being a threat in behind. Jospeh now offers the same threat and we look a far better side when we have a willing runner up top.

Maybe what Piroe needs is an old fashioned 4-4-2 but as that's unlikely to happen it would probably be better for all concerned to simply accept he doesn't fit our requirements and move him on.

The other option of changing our manager and style of play to accomodate Piroe isn't really a solution in my opinion as it would be far too disruptive.

[Cjay]

Probably some really good analysis there but I'm going to be honest and admit I'm too lazy to look at it. Another reason for not looking is simply what my eyes tell me everytime I watch Piroe live at ER and the message my brain is receiving each and every time is that to score goals he needs that free role to roam where he feels the opportunties will present themselves. Nothing wrong with that and he's probably pretty good at it as well. What he can't do is run the channels for balls inbetween full backs and centre halfs, or played over the top, which means we get squeezed and when we get squeezed and the play becomes compressed we don't have the skillful midfield creators to break teams down and score enough goals.

The difference when Bamford came back into the team last season was also clear to see as our opponents defensive lines were immediately forced to drop 3 or 4 yards due to there now being a threat in behind. Jospeh now offers the same threat and we look a far better side when we have a willing runner up top.

Maybe what Piroe needs is an old fashioned 4-4-2 but as that's unlikely to happen it would probably be better for all concerned to simply accept he doesn't fit our requirements and move him on.

The other option of changing our manager and style of play to accomodate Piroe isn't really a solution in my opinion as it would be far too disruptive.

Fair enough.

We know he can do it because he did it vs Norwich and was unplayable.

I still think he needs Farke to show faith in him, like Bielsa did Bamford.

Instead he moves him around and plays him in a role Farke knows he can't play which when it inevitably doesn't work makes JP a target for annoyed fans.

Can't do his confidence much good.

[Jammy 07]

Fair enough.

We know he can do it because he did it vs Norwich and was unplayable.

I still think he needs Farke to show faith in him, like Bielsa did Bamford.

Instead he moves him around and plays him in a role Farke knows he can't play which when it inevitably doesn't work makes JP a target for annoyed fans.

Can't do his confidence much good.

My feeling is if Aaronson plays inside as a no'8 or no'10 then that could help Piroe play as the main striker, mainly because Brenden makes lots of lung busting forward runs from midfield. Which means I'd prefer Piroe to be asked to play as a kind of false nine rather than sticking him right up top and just watching him struggle.

Think Harry Kane but without the lederhosen

[pjm2019]

Hearing theres no truth in the Bamford part exchange. It sounded like made up crap anyway.

Anyway why would we trade our 3rd striker for a 5th midfielder. Absolute nonsense. Happier to have Bamford, Piroe, and Joseph competing for the 9 shirt.

the report was cash + Piroe NOT Bamford. LUFC are saying this report is wrong.

[andrewjohnsmith]

the report was cash + Piroe NOT Bamford. LUFC are saying this report is wrong.

My bad. My memory playing tricks on me.

But I still see it the same way. Ideally, I'd take our squad exactly as it is today.

[SG90]

Just a bit worried about signing all these foreign players. We had too many the season we went down, as they didn't care about us.

[andrewjohnsmith]

Just a bit worried about signing all these foreign players. We had too many the season we went down, as they didn't care about us.

Doesn't matter where they come from. It's who they are and how they are managed that counts. Farke has a much better grip on his players than Jesse did. And hopefully there are no McKennie's or Roca's in this group.

[PhoenixUnited]

Just a bit worried about signing all these foreign players. We had too many the season we went down, as they didn't care about us.

Strange strategy being adopted by LUFC - looking at and bringing in players that are not Welsh FFS