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Good Morning. It's Tuesday 15th October, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Can Leeds afford to wait until January

Darko Gyabi is being hotly tipped to have his season long loan with Plymouth Argyle cut short following the injury crisis at Elland Road, but would his return make sense?

The 20 year old has been in impressive form for Wayne Rooney's side, and even netted a thunderous 25 yard effort for the young Lions against Italy on Thursday evening. He has already accumulated over 800 minutes of game time for the Pilgrims, and is set to become Leeds first successful loanee (outgoing) in almost a decade.

Daniel Farke is looking for reinforcements following long term injuries to Ethan Ampadu and Ilea Gruev, and has even been tempted to explore free agents. Cheikhou Kouyate had been training at Thorp Arch last week, and even underwent a medical, but since then, the trail has gone cold.

Leeds would have to wait until January to recall Gyabi, or further explore the free agent route if the matter turns urgent. Losing over half their first team during the Summer was always going to be difficult to recover from, especially when replacements were left so late in the window.





Leeds tracking Cameroonian monster

According to the Daily Mirror, Leeds are amongst a number of English clubs tracking the progress of FCSB centre-back Joyskim Dawa.

The no nonsense defender stands 6ft 4' and is fifteen stone of pure muscle. Not only does this make it difficult for the opposition to disposes him but he uses his strength to out-muscle opponents off the ball.

Leeds, along with Everton and Fulham have already sent scouts over to Romania to track the 28yo's progress. His attacking attributes have not gone unnoticed either. He loves to get forward, and is a formidable force in the penalty box, with seven goals in eighty games for the SuperLiga outfit. He has a £4m buy-out clause, making him a bargain, despite his advancing years.


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Cresswell was a succesful loanee as was Drameh ...very successful. I think Roca and Koch also, that's 4. Kristiansen is this year, that's 5. Even Llorente did well in Italy.... Gelhardt had a successful loan deal at Sunderland

Greenwood was excellent through half a season for Boro
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The Subhuman wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:17 am Cresswell was a succesful loanee as was Drameh ...very successful. I think Roca and Koch also, that's 4. Kristiansen is this year, that's 5. Even Llorente did well in Italy.... Gelhardt had a successful loan deal at Sunderland

Greenwood was excellent through half a season for Boro
NONE of those were successful, as NONE of those benefited Leeds in any way, shape or form.

A case in point. Following their loans, how many of them have gone on to break into the Leeds Utd side. Between them, they have gone on to make a TOTAL of 5 appearances for Leeds between them. How is that successful?
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Ellandback1 wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:05 am NONE of those were successful, as NONE of those benefited Leeds in any way, shape or form.

A case in point. Following their loans, how many of them have gone on to break into the Leeds Utd side. Between them, they have gone on to make a TOTAL of 5 appearances for Leeds between them. How is that successful?
Then you could argue Gyabi isn't successful at all yet then as he hasn't established himself in the Leeds team.. You can't use hindsight for some and not others. We did get paid for Cresswell IIRC, that benefitted us

For loans to be a success it's how they play for their loan club nothing else counts.
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The Subhuman wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:13 am Then you could argue Gyabi isn't successful at all yet then as he hasn't established himself in the Leeds team.. You can't use hindsight for some and not others. We did get paid for Cresswell IIRC, that benefitted us

For loans to be a success it's how they play for their loan club nothing else counts.
Absolutely spot-on, but Cressy was a successful England U21 players before he went to Millwall. How he wasn't given a chance the following season, especially when we were in the Championship is absolutely beyond he. As I remember, he played the first game, and never made a start since? He was at-least a £5m prospect before going out on loan.

On the other point, I am given myself wriggle room by saying 'set to become' :)
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Didn't we pay £5M for Gyabi?
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Rook wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:30 am Didn't we pay £5M for Gyabi?
Yes, but it was part of the Kalvin Phillips deal
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The Subhuman wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:17 am Cresswell was a succesful loanee as was Drameh ...very successful. I think Roca and Koch also, that's 4. Kristiansen is this year, that's 5. Even Llorente did well in Italy.... Gelhardt had a successful loan deal at Sunderland

Greenwood was excellent through half a season for Boro
Drameh had a couple of stinkers for Hull of late.

Sorry, I don't rate him highly.
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Ellandback1 wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:44 am Absolutely spot-on, but Cressy was a successful England U21 players before he went to Millwall. How he wasn't given a chance the following season, especially when we were in the Championship is absolutely beyond he. As I remember, he played the first game, and never made a start since? He was at-least a £5m prospect before going out on loan.

On the other point, I am given myself wriggle room by saying 'set to become' :)
There must be something in the fact that several Leeds coaches would seem not to have rated Cresswell.
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1964white wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:09 am There must be something in the fact that several Leeds coaches would seem not to have rated Cresswell.

Old fashioned centre half, not a ball player, which is what our coaches want.
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YorkshireSquare wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:28 am Old fashioned centre half, not a ball player, which is what our coaches want.
Same for keepers, Adam.

That's why our coaches persevere with Meslier, he's more comfortable with the ball at his feet than many lower grade centre-backs.
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1964white wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:45 am That's why our coaches persevere with Meslier, he's more comfortable with the ball at his feet than many lower grade centre-backs.

Yeah, glad he feels comfortable because I don't always feel comfortable when he has the ball at his feet.
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YorkshireSquare wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:13 pm Yeah, glad he feels comfortable because I don't always feel comfortable when he has the ball at his feet.
Was thinking the same - gives me kittens sometimes

Far too casual. Also evidenced in that goal!!
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Bielsa aimed for a small squad and was reluctant to let younger players out on loan as he tended to use them to cover gaps hence the likes of Shackleton, Struijk and Poveda got game time in the Championship and loans didn't feature . The strategy under Marsch was all over the place and this affected the loans as well and you can discount the Gracia ,Allardyce period. Last summer when Farke had to confront the fallout from relegation he needed the August/September period to assess who he needed to keep so it's hard to see what else could have happened with loans . Given what has happened with our better young players recently how do you guard against a loan simply putting them in the shop window ?I'm not sure how well managed the loan situation has been over the years but one would hope that assuming the 49ers have a long term aim that they would look at the management of this as being key to developing the Academy assets in the future .
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ruttermania wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:58 pm Bielsa aimed for a small squad and was reluctant to let younger players out on loan as he tended to use them to cover gaps hence the likes of Shackleton, Struijk and Poveda got game time in the Championship and loans didn't feature . The strategy under Marsch was all over the place and this affected the loans as well and you can discount the Gracia ,Allardyce period. Last summer when Farke had to confront the fallout from relegation he needed the August/September period to assess who he needed to keep so it's hard to see what else could have happened with loans . Given what has happened with our better young players recently how do you guard against a loan simply putting them in the shop window ?I'm not sure how well managed the loan situation has been over the years but one would hope that assuming the 49ers have a long term aim that they would look at the management of this as being key to developing the Academy assets in the future .
Well put, but...

The last player to come back to Leeds (and play) after being loaned out and therefor benefitting the club was Mateusz Klich. Before that, it was Jermaine Beckford!

The amount of young talent that has slipped through our fingers. Max Deans, now an England U20 International, alongside Darko Gyabi, Leif Davis, who without his contributions would have make Ipswich Town look like a mid table side. Our current group of talented youngsters won't get a look-in, proved by the fact Farke would rather use the emergency free agent route than give Debayo are Crew a chance.

Why havn't they been sent out on loan?
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back on track for a second...Gyabi - if we could get him back tomorrow I think we should. I'd rather we work with a player we already have and has potential than some journeyman wash up. Not sure we can wait until January though as we are only 1 injury away from bare bones (then we get to what Charlie Crew can do in the big league).

Dawa ? I don't overly care...we don't usually end up signing any of our rumoured connections so not much point thinking about it.
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Clitheroe White wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:21 pm back on track for a second...Gyabi - if we could get him back tomorrow I think we should. I'd rather we work with a player we already have and has potential than some journeyman wash up. Not sure we can wait until January though as we are only 1 injury away from bare bones (then we get to what Charlie Crew can do in the big league).

Dawa ? I don't overly care...we don't usually end up signing any of our rumoured connections so not much point thinking about it.
We'd go sqare pegs in round holes before using Charlie Crew, or at-least it looks that way...
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YorkshireSquare wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:28 am Old fashioned centre half, not a ball player, which is what our coaches want.
As is Rodon really... Jansson was another.

Not your point but it's also a myth that successive managers didn't rate Cresswell, He was a bit young under Bielsa, not quite ready (but a lot more ready than say Debayo) Marsch maybe a touch early too, plus really bad player coach, then Gracia and Alladyce were late season, special circumstances managers with no time to blood youngsters even if they maybe should have

Really leaves only Farke who seems to not rate him, and he could be very wrong.
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The Subhuman wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:50 pm As is Rodon really... Jansson was another.

Not your point but it's also a myth that successive managers didn't rate Cresswell, He was a bit young under Bielsa, not quite ready (but a lot more ready than say Debayo) Marsch maybe a touch early too, plus really bad player coach, then Gracia and Alladyce were late season, special circumstances managers with no time to blood youngsters even if they maybe should have

Really leaves only Farke who seems to not rate him, and he could be very wrong.

I think Bielsa rated him as a defender, he put him on to mark Romelu Lukaku. You don't do that if you don't rate him as a defender. I think there were other aspects of his game which maybe Bielsa felt didn't quite fit the system.
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YorkshireSquare wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:03 pm I think Bielsa rated him as a defender, he put him on to mark Romelu Lukaku. You don't do that if you don't rate him as a defender. I think there were other aspects of his game which maybe Bielsa felt didn't quite fit the system.
Had Bielsa still been here then I think he'd have bought CC along, he certainly rated him.. but alas he went and the rest is history.
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