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Bivol Beterbiev was a good fight , good contrast in styles.....I think ringside may have had a different person to TV . I thought Beterbiev pressure and cutting down the ring won it for me , but a very close fight indeed .
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Clacton White wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:39 am Bivol Beterbiev was a good fight , good contrast in styles.....I think ringside may have had a different person to TV . I thought Beterbiev pressure and cutting down the ring won it for me , but a very close fight indeed .
Nah.. I rewatched the fight and got the same result and not many pros in the game said Beterbiev won that fight.
No way.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BbAmFO ... onFighting
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BradWhite wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:46 am Nah.. I rewatched the fight and got the same result and not many pros in the game said Beterbiev won that fight.
No way.

Here is one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BbAmFO ... onFighting
Boxing has a long history of these decisions, whereby a lot of people don't agree with a decision, it isn't first and won't be the last . Personally I prefer Beterbiev style of constantly coming forward and pressing . What
I would say is both of them have come out with credit to how they have handled the media and their own appearances in pre and after fight interviews....unlike people like Tyson Fury , who are a disgrace to the game and basically imo just gobshites . Both these have handled things throughout with credit , both I think prefer to do the talking on the ring . What Bivol has said is that Canello hit harder , but just once in a flurry of say 5 punches , while every Beterbiev shot is a power shot but as a one off not so hard , I think Beterbiev targets EVERYTHING, that way you tire and wear down the whole body and hence the opponent's capability to do as much . I must watch again properly as when I did watch there was other stuff going on here , so I haven't taken the thing as a whole but Bivol did look like worse for wear afterwards. Another fighter in their category well worth a watch and who may be the only one close to their level is David Benavidez , could be one to watch , might be super middle but that isn't far off light heavy anyway.
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Clacton White wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:40 pm Boxing has a long history of these decisions, whereby a lot of people don't agree with a decision, it isn't first and won't be the last . Personally I prefer Beterbiev style of constantly coming forward and pressing . What
I would say is both of them have come out with credit to how they have handled the media and their own appearances in pre and after fight interviews....unlike people like Tyson Fury , who are a disgrace to the game and basically imo just gobshites . Both these have handled things throughout with credit , both I think prefer to do the talking on the ring . What Bivol has said is that Canello hit harder , but just once in a flurry of say 5 punches , while every Beterbiev shot is a power shot but as a one off not so hard , I think Beterbiev targets EVERYTHING, that way you tire and wear down the whole body and hence the opponent's capability to do as much . I must watch again properly as when I did watch there was other stuff going on here , so I haven't taken the thing as a whole but Bivol did look like worse for wear afterwards. Another fighter in their category well worth a watch and who may be the only one close to their level is David Benavidez , could be one to watch , might be super middle but that isn't far off light heavy anyway.
The ridiculous scoring from one judge cost Bivol that win, lots of shots from Beterbiev were hitting the gloves.
I thought Bivol handled the loss with dignity and respect and they'll be a rematch if Beterbiev wants it, he's nearing 40 years old, Bivol is almost 34 so he has youth. I think Bivol has logged a compliant with the scoring now.

Also one to watch is Moses Itauma, this kid is going to be a future great.
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Clacton White wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:40 pm Boxing has a long history of these decisions, whereby a lot of people don't agree with a decision, it isn't first and won't be the last . Personally I prefer Beterbiev style of constantly coming forward and pressing . What
I would say is both of them have come out with credit to how they have handled the media and their own appearances in pre and after fight interviews....unlike people like Tyson Fury , who are a disgrace to the game and basically imo just gobshites . Both these have handled things throughout with credit , both I think prefer to do the talking on the ring . What Bivol has said is that Canello hit harder , but just once in a flurry of say 5 punches , while every Beterbiev shot is a power shot but as a one off not so hard , I think Beterbiev targets EVERYTHING, that way you tire and wear down the whole body and hence the opponent's capability to do as much . I must watch again properly as when I did watch there was other stuff going on here , so I haven't taken the thing as a whole but Bivol did look like worse for wear afterwards. Another fighter in their category well worth a watch and who may be the only one close to their level is David Benavidez , could be one to watch , might be super middle but that isn't far off light heavy anyway.
The ridiculous scoring from one judge cost Bivol that win, lots of shots from Beterbiev were hitting the gloves.
I thought Bivol handled the loss with dignity and respect and they'll be a rematch if Beterbiev wants it, he's nearing 40 years old, Bivol is almost 34 so he has youth. I think Bivol has logged a compliant with the scoring now.

Also one to watch is Moses Itauma, this kid is going to be a future great.

I rewatched the fight for the 3rd time and had Bivol winning by 2 rounds, that is still a pretty close fight, 2 points, so Beterbiev's corner were right telling him he needed to a knockdown to win it, the judge got it wrong 100%.
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BradWhite wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:49 pm The ridiculous scoring from one judge cost Bivol that win, lots of shots from Beterbiev were hitting the gloves.
I thought Bivol handled the loss with dignity and respect and they'll be a rematch if Beterbiev wants it, he's nearing 40 years old, Bivol is almost 34 so he has youth. I think Bivol has logged a compliant with the scoring now.

Also one to watch is Moses Itauma, this kid is going to be a future great.
Bivol is older than he looks 😁, I thought he was about 30 ....anyway , yes he handled the defeat with dignity, I think Beterbiev would too , it's just the way they are . I think the thing with hitting gloves or arms , though it's not scoring really , you are still giving out punishment and wear and tear on the opponent that accumulates over the course of a fight . You hit the arms , they will tire over time and of course have less strength for hitting back . Maybe it's dark arts there .
I found Whittaker defeat very satisfying, the way he took the piss previously over journeymen fighters , just there to earn an honest living and him showboating ....not acceptable to me . It's showing no respect to people trying to just carve out a living , they aren't going to get the Megabucks fights , don't humiliate them . There is time and place for that , not against the sort of fighter he is trying to belittle . He sort of reminds me of an old singer ......Kevin Rowland...also from the same area originally and someone I knew a bit in passing , not a nice person imo .
I always think a defeat on a fighter is more telling and how they react than victories . Some fighters never recover or lose confidence totally once defeated , others it sometimes galvanizes and spurs on further .... good example being Marvin Hagler , might have been beaten or got a draw he felt should have won but spurred him on never to try for decisions . One thing with Bivol -Beterbiev ...or any fight ...a KO is decisive and pretty much undisputable. It's the final word really , is a KO .
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Clacton White wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:29 pm Bivol is older than he looks 😁, I thought he was about 30 ....anyway , yes he handled the defeat with dignity, I think Beterbiev would too , it's just the way they are . I think the thing with hitting gloves or arms , though it's not scoring really , you are still giving out punishment and wear and tear on the opponent that accumulates over the course of a fight . You hit the arms , they will tire over time and of course have less strength for hitting back . Maybe it's dark arts there .
I found Whittaker defeat very satisfying, the way he took the piss previously over journeymen fighters , just there to earn an honest living and him showboating ....not acceptable to me . It's showing no respect to people trying to just carve out a living , they aren't going to get the Megabucks fights , don't humiliate them . There is time and place for that , not against the sort of fighter he is trying to belittle . He sort of reminds me of an old singer ......Kevin Rowland...also from the same area originally and someone I knew a bit in passing , not a nice person imo .
I always think a defeat on a fighter is more telling and how they react than victories . Some fighters never recover or lose confidence totally once defeated , others it sometimes galvanizes and spurs on further .... good example being Marvin Hagler , might have been beaten or got a draw he felt should have won but spurred him on never to try for decisions . One thing with Bivol -Beterbiev ...or any fight ...a KO is decisive and pretty much undisputable. It's the final word really , is a KO .
Hitting arms and gloves doesn't win rounds and no doubt that this was going the full distance so points really do matter with 2 exceptional boxers like Beterbiev and Bivol.
It also tires out the one throwing them, body shots slow down fighters.

I edited my post above to say I rewatched the fight for the 3rd time and had Bivol winning by clear 2 rounds (that's only 2 points) and Beterbiev needed a knock down to get a 10/8 round to win it or a stoppage, Beterbiev's corner said to him you need the KO him to win.

How one judge only gave Bivol 4 rounds was ridiculous, maybe some sort of VAR should be allowed as I have seen some pretty awful judging of late.

I can see a claim for Beterbiev being the one going forward for most of the fight but he wasn't scoring points.
Hats of to 2 absolute warriors and I'd love to see a rematch and soon.

The Whittaker fight with Liam Cameron was a draw, Warren signed Liam to Queensbury straight after the fight and are pressing for a rematch.
I think Whittaker was gassed and losing the fight and faked the foot injury.
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There are fights Chris Eubank ( the original ) won which I thought he was lucky to win , mainly by showboating much of the time , posturing and posing while throwing very few actual punches , that's how I recall it anyway , but it influences people or judges maybe . I know neither Bivol nor Beterbiev showboat , but sometimes people see that a dictating what is going on . Likewise Hagler- Leonard, a lot of talk in those days especially from Hagler- feeling he was robbed and I guess it's either subjective or how you see that in the fight ..showboating . Alternatively, I think Beterbiev was winning rounds late by having a late flurry in the rounds , like I say must watch again and concentrate more on the fight here in question.
Most definitely Whitaker was found out , I think he expected to showboat and win with ease, he didn't expect an experienced fighter he had him sussed after a few rounds , I think if he has taken an easy option out and faked injury , as it looks , it tells you much about character and how he will deal with adversity. Maybe he thought it was an easy route to fame and fortune . Cameron isn't a bad fighter at all , is experienced and had too much in the tank for Whittaker.
One thing for sure , these Turki Alasheik fight cards are something else .
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Clacton White wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:09 pm There are fights Chris Eubank ( the original ) won which I thought he was lucky to win , mainly by showboating much of the time , posturing and posing while throwing very few actual punches , that's how I recall it anyway , but it influences people or judges maybe . I know neither Bivol nor Beterbiev showboat , but sometimes people see that a dictating what is going on . Likewise Hagler- Leonard, a lot of talk in those days especially from Hagler- feeling he was robbed and I guess it's either subjective or how you see that in the fight ..showboating . Alternatively, I think Beterbiev was winning rounds late by having a late flurry in the rounds , like I say must watch again and concentrate more on the fight here in question.
Most definitely Whitaker was found out , I think he expected to showboat and win with ease, he didn't expect an experienced fighter he had him sussed after a few rounds , I think if he has taken an easy option out and faked injury , as it looks , it tells you much about character and how he will deal with adversity. Maybe he thought it was an easy route to fame and fortune . Cameron isn't a bad fighter at all , is experienced and had too much in the tank for Whittaker.
One thing for sure , these Turki Alasheik fight cards are something else .
Yeah I have seen some proper bad results and robberies over the years with some unprofessional judging and lots of old fights were rigged, steroid use, injuries and debt issues.

Pity they are in Saudi, I recall watching the Fury Usyk undercard and the people at ring side in their expensive seats were all on their phones.
I prefer boxing in the UK or Vegas at least the fans create a great atmosphere but the money is now in Saudi apart from the odd one at Wembley like we saw with Joshua and Dubois which proves which is better, also it brings the best out in some fighters in spectacular shows.

I thought Cameron had Whittaker worn down, we'll see if he takes the rematch, however boxers do have bad camps so you never know, but fair play to Cameron, I think he did enough to win that on the score cards.
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For you boxing fans.

Tonight is Adam Azim v Ohara Davies

Undercard.

Anthony Yarde vs. Ralfs Vilcans
Dan Azeez vs. Lewis Edmondson
Michael McKinson vs. Tulani Mbenge
Jeamie Tshikeva vs. Franklin Ignatius
Francesca Hennessy vs. Ana Karla Vaz De Moraes
Sam Hickey vs. John Henry Mosquera
Shannon Courtenay vs. Catherine Tacone Ramos
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BradWhite wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:41 pm For you boxing fans.

Tonight is Adam Azim v Ohara Davies

Undercard.

Anthony Yarde vs. Ralfs Vilcans
Dan Azeez vs. Lewis Edmondson
Michael McKinson vs. Tulani Mbenge
Jeamie Tshikeva vs. Franklin Ignatius
Francesca Hennessy vs. Ana Karla Vaz De Moraes
Sam Hickey vs. John Henry Mosquera
Shannon Courtenay vs. Catherine Tacone Ramos
I have it on record BW.

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Not the best night of boxing, I thought the headline fight Azeez v Edmondson was poor.

I am a fan of Anthony Yarde but he had a long night and was way off his best but again one judge was way off with his generous scoring with 8 rounds - 2 to Yarde, it was much closer than that more 6 rounds to 4.
Vilcans was a tough lad and could have got the win or at least a draw had he not lost the first round 10/8 knock down.

Star of the show was Adam Azim, this kid has some skills and it going to be something special.

Next up.
October 26, Manchester.

Jack Catterall vs Regis Prograis (Super-Lightweight)
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BradWhite wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:48 am Not the best night of boxing, I thought the headline fight Azeez v Edmondson was poor.

I am a fan of Anthony Yarde but he had a long night and was way off his best but again one judge was way off with his generous scoring with 8 rounds - 2 to Yarde, it was much closer than that more 6 rounds to 4.
Vilcans was a tough lad and could have got the win or at least a draw had he not lost the first round 10/8 knock down.

Star of the show was Adam Azim, this kid has some skills and it going to be something special.

Next up.
October 26, Manchester.

Jack Catterall vs Regis Prograis (Super-Lightweight)
Shane Mcguigan talking Azim up as the best fighter he has trained. The lad as got talent but he does hang his chin in the air too much for me. A bit like Nas used to so he should be in some exciting fights. I think Dalton Smith would expose that weakness at this current stage in his career so they will allow that fight to build for another year or so i feel.

As long as Jack Catteralls stamina holds up he should have too much for Prograis but it shoulkd be another close fight. Good to see Jack getting on with his career now after Taylor pissing him around for years.
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Leeds1000 wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:44 pm Shane Mcguigan talking Azim up as the best fighter he has trained. The lad as got talent but he does hang his chin in the air too much for me. A bit like Nas used to so he should be in some exciting fights. I think Dalton Smith would expose that weakness at this current stage in his career so they will allow that fight to build for another year or so i feel.

As long as Jack Catteralls stamina holds up he should have too much for Prograis but it shoulkd be another close fight. Good to see Jack getting on with his career now after Taylor pissing him around for years.
Agree mate.
And Azim has plenty of time, he's only had 12 fights and yeah they'll want to build him, he is a talent for sure.

Josh Taylor beat Prograis and I think Jack will too and he's on a back of a loss against Haney going into the fight with Catterall.
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Anyone see the Jack Catterall vs. Regis Prograis fight?

Great fight, great performance from Jack Catterall.

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Azim is a great talent , just needs training a better way and he'll go far.
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mentalcase wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:35 pm Azim is a great talent , just needs training a better way and he'll go far.

Shane McGuigan is a decent trainer.
He trained Azim to a European super light weight title.
He won trainer of the Year at the BBBoC Awards.
Trained Chris Billam-Smith and Ellie Scotney to world titles.
Trained Caroline Dubois for the IBO world title.

Azim is managed by Barry McGuigan, so I doubt they'll be any changes in trainer.
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Misunderstood me
I didn't mean a change of trainer,meant training methods
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mentalcase wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:02 am Misunderstood me
I didn't mean a change of trainer,meant training methods
He looks pretty good to me so far, great jab, he's not to be rushed he has time to develop.
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